When will normality fully return?

[ThornAmongstRoses]

The other night, when I checked on my youngest son at about 10pm, he felt quite warm and sweaty. My first thoughts were one of panic, not of Covid but that a temperature would mean he wouldn’t be able to go to the childminders and I wouldn’t be able to go to work. Again.

I checked his temperature and thankfully it was fine.

But when will the time come where temperatures don’t matter?

As in, he may have a slightly raised temperature in the evening, but I would give him some Calpol, he’d be absolutely fine in the morning so I’d send him to childcare as normal and I would head off to work.

When will normality in that respect come back?

I was just reading another thread about a woman who’d been told to isolate via the NHS app because she may have been in close contact with Covid in the supermarket, and so was having to isolate for 8 days. When will this stop?

When will we stop needing be monitored like this? Where even if you may have walked past someone in the supermarket with Covid, it doesn’t matter and you just carry on with life as normal?

When does the time come where a temperature doesn’t mean we have to get tested? When does all that stop?

@PrintempsAhoy

Gosh. I can’t see the end if it right now

I find it very confusing, but am also confused why we are still in lockdown despite all over 60s and vulnerable people now vaccinated

I don’t understand the persistent fear

So as long as there is fear, there will be these restrictions and needs to isolate? I guess? And fear still instilled in us every day through ads

I guess it could now just be like this?

Hope I’m wrong

Because they've all only had the first vaccine...

PrincessNutNuts

ThornAmongstRoses
Hysteria is the word.

I still see people walking towards each other on the pavement purposefully give each other a wide berth and I can’t help but think to myself, “what risk do they really think that person is going to pose during the 1 second they have to walk past each other?!”

If T&T say that you need to be in contact with someone for 15 minutes for it to be classed as a ‘risk’ then why on earth are people worrying about walking past another person for 1 second?

I just don’t get it.

Your Reply:

Have you heard of social distancing OP?
Or "2 metres"?
"One metre plus"?
"Hands, face, space"?
Or the more transmissible new variants?
The second wave that we're locked down in the middle of and Europe is just starting.

I stand by what I said.

Thinking you can catch Corona virus from someone just by walking past them for 1 second is a bit hysterical in my opinion anyway.

And I’ve just seen an advert for a programme that’s going to be in within the next week called, “Inside the Corona Wards” and the short clip looked pretty horrifying.

I mean why?

Why show it when we are on the way out of it? (hopefully).

Is it a way of telling us to behave? Threatening us that this is where will be headed back too?

I’m genuinely wondering now whether they are in fact just trying to control people by fear.

Why not show it? We’re not definitely coming out of it, nothing is definite.

If we are, it’s by the skin of our teeth.

If T&T say that you need to be in contact with someone for 15 minutes for it to be classed as a ‘risk’

Because this refers to something quite different.

If you walk past someone as they cough/sneeze and you get a blob of liquid, full of virus particles land in your mouth as you breathe in - or in your eye, then you're infected.

But quite obviously the longer you spend near someone infected (all other factors the same), the greater the risk, so T&T drew an arbitrary line (absolutely nothing scientific about it) and said we're only going to worry about risks greater than this.

On the other hand I kind of agree that you're HIGHLY unlikely to catch it by walking past someone in the street if you're all wearing masks - most people do it now out of manners rather than out of concern for personal risk.

@ThornAmongstRoses

And I’ve just seen an advert for a programme that’s going to be in within the next week called, “Inside the Corona Wards” and the short clip looked pretty horrifying.

I mean why?

Why show it when we are on the way out of it? (hopefully).

Is it a way of telling us to behave? Threatening us that this is where will be headed back too?

I’m genuinely wondering now whether they are in fact just trying to control people by fear.

Maybe because of all the blase people out there who still think lockdown was a joke and covid only affects the very weak who are going to die anyway..

Despite all the clapping that went on, a large chunk of the UK have zero consideration for the NHS workers who have to deal with covid patients and have been basically in a war zone for a year now.

Why not show it? We’re not definitely coming out of it, nothing is definite. If we are, it’s by the skin of our teeth.

My point was that we’ve had a really shitty year and that at a time where we should have some positivity and hope they want to broadcast the horror that was happening when the virus was such an unknown.

I don’t know....it just feels the want to keep us all frozen in time.

Despite all the clapping that went on, a large chunk of the UK have zero consideration for the NHS.....

I imagine that actually it was only a very small percentage of people who didn’t take it seriously as opposed to a “large chunk of the UK”.

@ThornAmongstRoses

Why not show it? We’re not definitely coming out of it, nothing is definite. If we are, it’s by the skin of our teeth.

My point was that we’ve had a really shitty year and that at a time where we should have some positivity and hope they want to broadcast the horror that was happening when the virus was such an unknown.

I don’t know....it just feels the want to keep us all frozen in time.

I don’t know....it just feels the want to keep us all frozen in time.

That's one interpretation.

I'd have gone with:

• They want us to know exactly what the NHS has gone through because there's been very little coverage of anything other than the death figures.
• They want us to see it as something we don't want to repeat
• They want to highlight the heroics of our doctors and nurses

I imagine that actually it was only a very small percentage of people who didn’t take it seriously as opposed to a “large chunk of the UK”.

I'd LOVE to think that too, but i particular the lack of much noise over the 1% pay rise offer to nurses kind of tells its own story......

My 12 year old inherited my awful hayfever. From May till Aug we have snots, watery eyes, coughs caused by the snots, I've been known to get a temp with my hayfever as well.

Honestly those 3-4 months we both feel like we've been hit by a bus. I'm able to take steroids which helps a bit, but DD is too young so has to cope.

Clearly she cant miss school for 4 months every year, at some stage common sense needs to come onto play!

I'd guess at 2-3 more years

After listening to R4 PM and the news about the threat of a third wave in France, the vaccine shambles in the EU and the risk of new varients emerging I think we may have at least another 2 years of restrictions.
It's no good everyone in the UK being vaccinated if the virus is still in Europe.

@MarinPrime

After listening to R4 PM and the news about the threat of a third wave in France, the vaccine shambles in the EU and the risk of new varients emerging I think we may have at least another 2 years of restrictions. It's no good everyone in the UK being vaccinated if the virus is still in Europe.

It's no good everyone in the UK being vaccinated if the virus is still in Europe.

Not true - if most of the UK is vaccinated, anyone bringing it from Europe wouldn't be able to spread it very far - may get the odd person infected, but mostly not - particularly if we insist that anyone arriving is either vaccinated or tests -ve - ideally the former.

That depends entirely on the vaccine working against the new variants that Europe and the rest of the world will throw up. The more people get ill, the more the virus will have chances to mutate.

Not true - if most of the UK is vaccinated, anyone bringing it from Europe wouldn't be able to spread it very far - may get the odd person infected, but mostly not - particularly if we insist that anyone arriving is either vaccinated or tests -ve - ideally the former.

In an ideal world, yes. But based on what's already happened restrictions are unlikely to be strict enough, or enforced.

I don't think we will ever return to the same type of normal that we had before, but we will gradually move closer to something that resembles it.

Covid 19 will always be here, probably mutating every year. Vaccination will be a regular thing, similar to the flu jab I expect.

Foreign travel will permanently change, just as it did in the wake of terrorism. We all got used to the "no liquids" and all the other additional security before boarding a plane. I'm sure we'll get used to any new regulations regarding Covid security too.

So, it will always be a different world from the one we had in 2019, but it will become "normal" once Covid is tamed and controlled by vaccination and routine procedures are established.

And what I forgot to add is the answer to the original question! When? My guess is about 2 or 3 years from now.

@MarinPrime

Not true - if most of the UK is vaccinated, anyone bringing it from Europe wouldn't be able to spread it very far - may get the odd person infected, but mostly not - particularly if we insist that anyone arriving is either vaccinated or tests -ve - ideally the former.

In an ideal world, yes. But based on what's already happened restrictions are unlikely to be strict enough, or enforced.

No - in a normal world lol

What restrictions do you think would be necessary here that wouldn't be enforced?

Like
"You haven't been vaccinated - oh not to worry, we'll look the other way while you come on in."
??

If you walk past someone as they cough/sneeze and you get a blob of liquid, full of virus particles land in your mouth as you breathe in - or in your eye, then you're infected.

In over 50 years on this planet, that has never happened to me.

On the other hand I kind of agree that you're HIGHLY unlikely to catch it by walking past someone in the street if you're all wearing masks - most people do it now out of manners rather than out of concern for personal risk.

In my experience most people are not wearing masks outside, just a minority

@notrub

If T&T say that you need to be in contact with someone for 15 minutes for it to be classed as a ‘risk’

Because this refers to something quite different.

If you walk past someone as they cough/sneeze and you get a blob of liquid, full of virus particles land in your mouth as you breathe in - or in your eye, then you're infected.

But quite obviously the longer you spend near someone infected (all other factors the same), the greater the risk, so T&T drew an arbitrary line (absolutely nothing scientific about it) and said we're only going to worry about risks greater than this.

On the other hand I kind of agree that you're HIGHLY unlikely to catch it by walking past someone in the street if you're all wearing masks - most people do it now out of manners rather than out of concern for personal risk.

When have you ever experienced what you talk about in the first paragraph?! Insanity.

I read earlier that the government are starting an advertising campaign for Covid from April 2021 which will last for 2 years.

Out of interest, pandemics historically have lasted 2 years.

The Plague lasted longer than that.

And Smallpox l think.

The Spanish flu lasted 2 years because it became so lethal people died before they could infect anyone.

One of the scariest aspects of this last year has been how many adults don't want to engage with the subject, people are just desperate for comforting platitudes

I agree with this entirely.