Septic Sceptics how the anti lockdown folks got it so wrong and poisoned the debate.

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A comprehensive and polemical account of how the poisonous right wing tributaries of 'truth' got it so wrong and are so unable to do a mea culpa and have so poisoned and contributed through their half baked half assed opinions a rational evidence based response particularly in the vital early days and the September/Christmas debacle that we have one of the highest death rates in the world. the-free-press.co.uk/2021/01/26/septic-sceptics-toby-young-allison-pearson-and-the-art-of-being-wrong/

A vomit inducing collection of people. It would be hard to rank them on order of uselessness. I think Toby probably gets the top spot though. He's got neither intelligence nor humanity. A perfect example of the benefits of being the offspring of influential parents. Disgusting human being.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=yjTk4djCveY

m.youtube.com/watch?v=mpBdhSAmq44

On both of these lockdowns debates, the 'septic sceptics' Toby Young and Peter Hitchens completely embarrassed the pro lockdowners, whom didn't have any to bring other than government regurgitated drivel.

What a patronising and self righteous post by the OP before you get to the link.

All those people make a living out of being bellends. Christ knows why anyone listens to them.

Toby Young’s bafflement that his desire to publicly comment on women’s breasts and attend secret eugenics conferences might be and issue when it came to working in schools just underlines what a thick twat he really is.

Calvin Robinson will be v disappointed not to be included. He’s trying really hard to join in.

OP, you are clearly trying to look very clever by using words like "polemical" and "mea culpa". This might be more convincing if you had used some punctuation.

ChocOrange1...couldn't agree more!

Yup, reading your post made my brain ache so couldn't be bothered to open link.

It is baffling and worrying that 'balance' means getting a total idiot on to contradict what 95% of scientists believe. UK news has given so much airtime to these people, and so many viewers/listeners have given their views equal weight.

Lockdowns aren’t necessary and the media will catch up to that point of view (if it already hasn’t).

The WHO essentially threw out decades of research on this for a disastrous social experiment. You can still read their older papers where they argue against lockdowns, makes for good reading.

Yes, things are going very well in Brazil without a lockdown NZ on the other hand crippled by their prompt action.

@ChameleonClara

Yes, things are going very well in Brazil without a lockdown NZ on the other hand crippled by their prompt action.

Compare it to Peru, with one of the strictest lockdowns in the world and it still has a higher death rate than Brazil ...

The anti-lockdown view just isn't credible after a year of watching it be the only thing that brings death rates down.

One thing many of them have in common - humanities degrees that give them the confidence to make pronouncements about science and medicine.

Nothing wrong with the humanities, but I wouldn't ask a virologist or statistician to write a novel.

@bobbiester

One thing many of them have in common - humanities degrees that give them the confidence to make pronouncements about science and medicine.

Nothing wrong with the humanities, but I wouldn't ask a virologist or statistician to write a novel.

Plenty of scientists are against lockdowns. Here are a group of epidemiologists that are against them: gbdeclaration.org/

Oh not the Great Barrington nonsense again. A good chunk of the signatories are fake (many satirical). And it was set up by a right wing economic free market campaign group - not a scientific body.

Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/09/herd-immunity-letter-signed-fake-experts-dr-johnny-bananas-covid

@bobbiester

Oh not the Great Barrington nonsense again. A good chunk of the signatories are fake (many satirical). And it was set up by a right wing economic free market campaign group - not a scientific body.

The key writers are experts in their field. I’m copying and pasting them here, not for your benefit but for others who may be reading this:

Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations.

Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases.

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.

trust the experts!!!!!!

Oh, but not these experts from Harvard, Oxford and Stanford 😱😱

As for the genuine signatures...

"Sky News discovered 18 self-declared homeopaths in the list of expert names and more than 100 therapists whose expertise included massage, hypnotherapy and Mongolian khoomii singing."

Scientific experts???

Dr Johnny Bananas and Toby Young don’t believe in lockdowns?

Well that’s me convinced.

@bobbiester

As for the genuine signatures...

"Sky News discovered 18 self-declared homeopaths in the list of expert names and more than 100 therapists whose expertise included massage, hypnotherapy and Mongolian khoomii singing."

Scientific experts???

Is that the best you have? Anyone can sign it, anyone. Follow the link and you can add your fake name and credentials to try to discredit it as well!

It doesn’t even matter, because the experts listed above drafted it and plenty of their peers have signed on.

I’ll paste it again, but it seems you don’t like listening to these scientists. I thought we were supposed to listen to the experts?!?

Here they are:

Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations.

Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases.

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations

The 3 "experts" were all recruited by the American Institute for Economic Research (also known for climate change denial) to produce the declaration.

They are fringe figures on issues relating to COVID-19 and the declaration has been condemed by the World Health Organisation.

Sunetra Gupta in particular has been provided catastrophically wrong - again and again - throughout the pandemic.

She was telling us that in the UK we were almost at "herd immunity" back in March 2020!! And again in April, and May, and June, and so on and so on. Wrong again and again and again.

Here you go - in March 2020 Gupta was telling us that half the UK had already had COVID at that point..

www.ft.com/content/5ff6469a-6dd8-11ea-89df-41bea055720b

And here she is again in July 2020 telling us again that we'd almost reached "herd immunity"

reaction.life/we-may-already-have-herd-immunity-an-interview-with-professor-sunetra-gupta/

When someone is repeatedly wrong, and lives are at stake, you need to stop listening to them.

Well with lockdowns we haven't exactly managed to keep rates low. There is no point doing lockdowns without doing all the other guff with it. NZ rates aren't low because of lockdown only, they are low because they closed the borders and had an efficient test and trace system. Everything we didn't.

I skimmed the article, let's blame them rather than the government. It wasn't those in the article driving to test their eyesight or catching a train the entire length of the country after a positive test. The whole handling has been shit.

Lol, don’t you just love being patronised by someone who doesn’t know how to use punctuation?

Some people have died even though we did lockdown is one of the daftest things I have read

Really if you can't understand the benefits of lockdown for lives and economy, stick to correcting punctuation