Oxford vaccine - blood clots

[emilyjane29]

Hi all,

So I'm due to get my vaccine on Friday, due to vulnerability caused by some health issues.

Have been reading about the issues surrounding the Oxford vaccine, and at first I wasn't overly worried but now more and more countries are pausing it, I'm feeling quite anxious.

My health issues include being diagnosed with venous sinus thrombosis a couple of years ago, and as far as I can tell this is what they are saying is the risk here with the Oxford vaccine. I'm fine now and not on any blood thinners.

I get that it hasn't been pulled by the UK gov, but should I check with my GP just incase, if this would be a safe option for me? Or should I just go ahead, given I have been invited to get it anyway and if it wasn't safe surely I wouldn't have been put forward for it?

Yeah you've already had your AZ bluenightowl so don't need to worry about catching covid. You've been busy stoking up fear on mumsnet for the last week. Determined to damage uptake in the UK no doubt

AZ is the only not for profit vaccine - that might explain the ulterior motive on creating false information on a very safe vaccine and not on the one that makes people lots of money

Thanks all for your really helpful comments, very much appreciated!

I didn't mean to start a debate, but I think some of the links and information provided regarding the official stats/science have been really useful for me to read. So thanks!

Still intending on going ahead with the vaccine! Just think I'll flag with my GP this week anyway, more for my own peace of mind than anything else. But I imagine they'll say it's fine for me to go ahead so fingers crossed!

Still no link...

Sorry that was to Blue

@Onedropbeat

AZ is the only not for profit vaccine - that might explain the ulterior motive on creating false information on a very safe vaccine and not on the one that makes people lots of money

Indeed

Op
dh has multiple (smorgasbord) health issues & medication - I typed out ALL medications he was on plus these health conditions - even though he had AZ they asked him to wait 15 minutes
(He is amazingly healthy notwithstanding - thank you to NHS - except one doctor long in the past at another hospital)

nb one condition is ITP & he is one asprin - he sailed through

on not one!

@Onedropbeat

AZ is the only not for profit vaccine - that might explain the ulterior motive on creating false information on a very safe vaccine and not on the one that makes people lots of money

Not entirely true, AZ and J&J are both provided at cost 'whilst the pandemic lasts' - a status AZ can legally challenge in July.

www.ft.com/content/c474f9e1-8807-4e57-9c79-6f4af145b686

It’s still stopping others from making as much money if this one is available to use during the non profit time

And there’s nothing to say they would start making a profit on it even this year

@Bluenightowl

We have all waited for a year, a week is not going to make much difference for what could have serious long term side effects. I wouldn’t ‘feel sorry’ for anyone who can’t have the vaccine this week. I’d trade places with them tbh. Carry on in the UK, what other countries are doing is of no relevance. You are no longer in the EU.

I don't understand your reasoning.

Pausing the vaccination programme for a week would lead to a week's worth of potential long term side effects (including blood clot related complications), deaths, and infections of other people who would have otherwise been protected. Contrast that to the potential situation of a weeks worth risk of blood clots complications from AZ for which there is no evidence it is causal.

This is why, as many many posters have pointed out, the EMA who themselves instigated the investigation have stated vaccination should go ahead.

It's unethical to halt a vaccination programme against evidence from experts (EMA, WHO) when lives are at risk, particularly when the decision isn't based on science. It's denying people the choice to get vaccinated when it should be available to them.

Just an update, spoke with my GP who understood completely why I would be worried, but reassured me that the vaccine is safe and I am not at further risk due to my previous health issues. I imagine they are having to reassure quite a few people in the same boat as me, but she was lovely about it so that's good.

I feel much better having spoken to her, and looking forward to getting the vaccine tomorrow!

@emilyjane29 - did you ask your GP about taking aspirin? It would be best to double check that, bleeds can cause issues as much as clots can so it's best to get an opinion based on your personal medical history.
Good luck with the jab tomorrow.

@emilyjane29 op i had a cerebral venous sinus thrombosis 2 years ago. I had the oxford vaccine 2 weeks ago and I am absolutely fine.. I was a bit anxious when I first heard the news but I've got through that.

It can be frustrating when people saying 'oh well that type of clot is rare' yes it may be rare but having gone through that before we know how scary it and real it can be. So hearing the vaccine can cause those specific clots and can be deadly is alarming.

But the chances we will have another is very very low. Lower than the pill, which millions take every single day.

I would also ask about aspirin though just in case.

[quote MRex]@emilyjane29 - did you ask your GP about taking aspirin? It would be best to double check that, bleeds can cause issues as much as clots can so it's best to get an opinion based on your personal medical history.
Good luck with the jab tomorrow.[/quote]
I mentioned it and they said there is no need. To just keep an eye on any side effects and in the unlikely case of feeling well to get in contact ASAP. So I'm not going to take any.

Most people I know have just felt a little tired after it so fingers crossed I do too!

Nervously awaiting the EMA update. Just read about the UK cases. I must say, it’s not looking too good now.

[quote Poppydex]@emilyjane29 op i had a cerebral venous sinus thrombosis 2 years ago. I had the oxford vaccine 2 weeks ago and I am absolutely fine.. I was a bit anxious when I first heard the news but I've got through that.

It can be frustrating when people saying 'oh well that type of clot is rare' yes it may be rare but having gone through that before we know how scary it and real it can be. So hearing the vaccine can cause those specific clots and can be deadly is alarming.

But the chances we will have another is very very low. Lower than the pill, which millions take every single day.

I would also ask about aspirin though just in case.[/quote]
Yes that's exactly it. It's hard not to worry when you were already the one in whatever who got it before! If I have another that would be on blood thinners for life so always very wary of taking risks. But I do feel much better now having spoken to my doctor, and looking forward to getting the jab. I've been so scared of catching coronavirus because of the clotting risk and think this will really help my anxiety levels. Glad to hear you felt fine after!

Live update from EMA here at 4pm

That's good @emilyjane29, I hope it goes well. I feel relieved since having mine, even though still too soon for immunity (2 days, no side effects for me just slight soreness where they jabbed that's come a few times for 10/15 min and gone again).

@emilyjane29
Another one here that had a cerebral venous sinus thrombosis previously. I've also had the Oxford vaccine with no issues since. I think the risk of covid far outweighs any risks from the vaccine. You'll be fine

@doireallyneedaname

Nervously awaiting the EMA update. Just read about the UK cases. I must say, it’s not looking too good now.

On the contrary, one death out of 11 million and 4 other recovered cases is extremely rare. New MHRA precautionary advice to see a doctor if you have a headache persisting 4 days after vaccination: www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56447367.

EMA have said they can’t rule the vaccine out and so will be adding a warning to the patient leaflet apparently.

@doireallyneedaname

EMA have said they can’t rule the vaccine out and so will be adding a warning to the patient leaflet apparently.

Do you have an agenda? EMA have said repeatedly that it's safe and the benefits far outweigh the risks. Sabine Strauss has repeated that again today: www.ema.europa.eu/en/events/press-briefing-conclusion-investigation-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-thromboembolic-events.

Do the maths on UK cases; 1 death and 4 hospitalisations from 11 million jabs. If that were covid we'd have had 25 people in ICU and 6 deaths, for the entire pandemic. Or, we could protect people against covid.

@MRex Did you actually watch the briefing?