A little concerned about vaccine now

Chill08 · 2021-03-12T10:13:06+00:00

I have been furiously checking everyday the last few weeks to see if i could book my husbands vaccine (1yr below current age being offered) super excited for him to have it done. Children back at school and i just want him protected. However my mum and dad had theres earlier in the week dad got quite ill for 24hrs so ive googled his symptons to check it was normal 😌 i shouldnt have as this thing about blood clots popped up. Now my hubby has a family history of these (mum&uncle both died young). Now im panicking about him having the vaccine. Am i being silly?

Seeline · 12/03/2021 10:15

Yes - there is no proof that this is actually linked to having the vaccine.

gamerchick · 12/03/2021 10:18

There's no proof OP. People get blood clots, they might have coincidentally had the vaccine a couple of weeks previously. If I get a blood clot next year, can I blame the vaccine? We're just hearing about it because most of us are watching intently, we've all shared the same journey for the past year.

Mintjulia · 12/03/2021 10:19

Yes, there have been 30 blood clot queries in about 35 million AZ doses administered worldwide. So less than 1 in a million.

There's no proof that they are linked, and the chance of a 50yo man becoming seriously ill from covid is significantly more that 1 in a million.

So even if you believe the reports AND believe there is a causal link, it s still safer to have the jab.

Prokupatuscrakedatus · 12/03/2021 10:20

My chemo was accompanied by a 'risk of cancer' warning.
I am sure his tendency to blood clots is in his notes and he will be monitored accordingly.
I am in Germany and the AstraZaneca vaccine has (4.3.21) been recommended for use with all age groups - just with the proper monitoring.
And you are under no obligation to get side effects, the vast majority of people don't have them. They just don't talk about it.

Dwigvk · 12/03/2021 10:22

Covid itself is linked with blood clotting problems, so even if it did turn out that a minuscule number of people were at risk of one from the vaccine (and that's not actually currently shown by the data), covid itself seems like the bigger risk of the two.

nordica · 12/03/2021 10:23

Having covid really increases the risk of blood clots so on balance the vaccine is the much, much safer option for him if it protects him from getting very ill with covid.

Circumlocutious · 12/03/2021 10:28

I think it’s natural to be worried - until you think about the stats.

30 reports of blood clots across Europe, among 5 million people who have had the vaccine. That puts the risk at 0.0006% of developing a blood clot - assuming it’s not coincidental, which is a real possibility.

The fatality ratio of covid in healthy under 40s is 0.1%. 1 in 1000 people.

Which sounds more intimidating?

DenisetheMenace · 12/03/2021 10:28

As Nordic’s said.
Please don’t worry unduly. Fergus Walsh reported yesterday that the regulatory authority have already confirmed that in the UK and now in The EU (both authorities) the incidence of blood clots in AZ vaccinated people is no higher than that in the general population.
I have veinous insufficiency and quite frequent phlebitis. Having my jab this weekend, no concerns at all. Wish it was today!

DenisetheMenace · 12/03/2021 10:29

Sorry, nordica.

dividedwefall · 12/03/2021 13:47

@Circumlocutious

I think it’s natural to be worried - until you think about the stats.

30 reports of blood clots across Europe, among 5 million people who have had the vaccine. That puts the risk at 0.0006% of developing a blood clot - assuming it’s not coincidental, which is a real possibility.

The fatality ratio of covid in healthy under 40s is 0.1%. 1 in 1000 people.

Which sounds more intimidating?

The fatality rate for COVID for healthy under 40s is nowhere near 1 in 1000, or 0.1%!

user1493494961 · 12/03/2021 13:59

Why do all these men need the vaccine booking for them.

ekidmxcl · 12/03/2021 14:01

It is natural to worry but on balance, it is the best thing for him to get vaccinated. We can’t control everything and have to take the best option, which is to get vaccinated, particularly if he is over 50, which presumably he is.

partyatthepalace · 12/03/2021 14:04

@Mintjulia

Yes, there have been 30 blood clot queries in about 35 million AZ doses administered worldwide. So less than 1 in a million.

There's no proof that they are linked, and the chance of a 50yo man becoming seriously ill from covid is significantly more that 1 in a million.

So even if you believe the reports AND believe there is a causal link, it s still safer to have the jab.

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amicissimma · 12/03/2021 14:29

"There have been 30 blood clot queries in about 35 million AZ doses administered worldwide. So less than 1 in a million."

According to NICE the annual incidence of venous thromboembolism is approximately 2 in 1000 (ie 2000 in 1 million) and the annual incidence of diagnosed pulmonary embolism in the UK has been reported as 7–8per 10,000 people (ie 700-800 per million).

So, if there is an association between the vaccine and embolism, it seems that you are better off having the vaccine than not. To take the idea to its extreme you could conclude that the vaccine protects from embolism. The most sensible conclusion is that the vaccine and embolism are unconnected.

It's always good to be vigilant, but not to be unnecessarily fearful to the point of putting yourself at greater risk of another harm - Covid.

Wildswimming3 · 12/03/2021 14:33

I had mine yesterday and i was asked if im on any blood thinning medication. So im sure if the person giving the vaccine is concerned they wouldnt give the vaccine to your dh.

Aposterhasnoname · 12/03/2021 14:44

Yes, there’s not a shred of evidence that the blood clotting issues are related to the vaccine.

There is however and abundance of evidence that COVID can be very bad for 50 plus year old men.

Circumlocutious · 12/03/2021 14:58

@dividedwefall

Sure, it’s the rates for under 30s that bring that figure down significantly. For them it’s a 0.01% fatality rate (Imperial College study, October 2020). Still not sure how that compares favourably to a 0.0006% risk of blood clots.

notrub · 12/03/2021 15:20

@Circumlocutious

I think it’s natural to be worried - until you think about the stats.

30 reports of blood clots across Europe, among 5 million people who have had the vaccine. That puts the risk at 0.0006% of developing a blood clot - assuming it’s not coincidental, which is a real possibility.

The fatality ratio of covid in healthy under 40s is 0.1%. 1 in 1000 people.

Which sounds more intimidating?

The comparison is even more unfavourable than this.

Out of those 30 clots - how many were fatal?? Only one I believe.

So why compare to covid DEATH rate? Surely needs to be compared to covid DAMAGE rate?

10% of covid sufferers of ALL age groups report problems more than 12 weeks after infection. Of these a significant proportion are fairly serious.

Either that or we compare actual death rates the blood clot death risk is 1 in 10 million as opposed to 1 in 1000.

frubr · 12/03/2021 15:28

I know people who have had blood clots and are on lifelong medication, they had the vaccine with no issues or concerns from Drs.

Cookerhood · 12/03/2021 15:29

I read this morning that a patient who had the moderna vaccine was struck by lightening. No-one would suggest that the vaccine caused it. It is right & proper that it is investigated thoroughly, but things happen to people in real life & sometimes they just happen to have had a vaccine just beforehand.

dividedwefall · 12/03/2021 16:08

@Cookerhood

I read this morning that a patient who had the moderna vaccine was struck by lightening. No-one would suggest that the vaccine caused it. It is right & proper that it is investigated thoroughly, but things happen to people in real life & sometimes they just happen to have had a vaccine just beforehand.

And yet if he was struck by lightning and died after a false positive covid test he would go down as a covid death! Mad isn't it?

whatswithtodaytoday · 12/03/2021 16:10

@dividedwefall No it wouldn't, don't be ridiculous. There are strict rules about what is listed as a cause of death.

dividedwefall · 12/03/2021 16:11

[quote whatswithtodaytoday]@dividedwefall No it wouldn't, don't be ridiculous. There are strict rules about what is listed as a cause of death.[/quote]
Actually you are wrong. If he had a positive test at any point within 28 days of his death he would be in the covid death statistics. Even if he died from being struck by lightning.

Cookerhood · 12/03/2021 16:13

He would go into the "death within 28 days category" as announced on the news, I think. It wouldn't be counted in the death certificates with Covid 19 as a cause, which is a separate figure.

dividedwefall · 12/03/2021 16:15

@Cookerhood

He would go into the "death within 28 days category" as announced on the news, I think. It wouldn't be counted in the death certificates with Covid 19 as a cause, which is a separate figure.

Exactly, announced in the news. The number of people we are being told have died from COVID, even if they have actually been struck by lightning.