Tests and Masks not Compulsory, apparently.

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www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/25/covid-tests-masks-not-compulsory-english-schools-nick-gibb?CMP=share_btn_fb&fbclid=IwAR0o_Hr0gXp7m3QB6NHQcfBd3NI40hRbIOgrMfAG4eVFvWsKA_-nUTdYBso

So what's the point of organising them in the first place?

@hatchershaze

Please stop the ridiculous fear momngering. Who exactly do you know under the age of 80 who has died? Its the Flu rebranded, sadly people have died, my grandmother also, who was 97 with dementia, renal failure but put as a Covid death. If you want to give me statistics please back them up with evidence, I will then take a good look. If not stop the rubbish talk. Kids do not need face masks because a) Asymptomatic is not a thing, b) children are not super spreaders, c) the tests are not reliable, d) it's a massive PR campaign to get you to have a jab (not a vaccine) and to sign up to the mass digital passport. If you can't see this then shame on you, because your children are next. You want this dystopian future for them?

Oh good grief. I think Bill Chips has put a gate in you.

d) it's a massive PR campaign to get you to have a jab (not a vaccine)

It’s been a long day and I’m very tired, but this has made me laugh very hard, which has been incredibly cathartic.

Absolute no students in my school are refusing to do the Covid test or wear a mask. As a teacher I think you would or should have the right to refuse to have those refusing masks or tests in your classroom. This refusal to wear a mask -unless severe SEN is just not acceptable.

The Venn diagram of people who the the vaccine is a hoax, people who say “Masks don’t work because wearing one only protects other people and not me!” and people who say wiping a swab on your child’s tonsils is child abuse is a tiny, incredibly vexed circle.

Added to this my 5 year old has worn a mask at all times out and about -and if they can do it so can anyone over the age of 5 -unless they have a serious SEN need. Medically -they have shown there is no reason whatsoever medical astma etc not to wear them. You might not like to wear it -but it's tough shit. No one likes it. Wearing a mask protects others. About bloody time.

@Malteser71

Still nobody can answer my question.

If children. Have to test negative to go to school, why ask them to wear a mask?

Because no test is 100%

@TaxTheRatFarms

The Venn diagram of people who the the vaccine is a hoax, people who say “Masks don’t work because wearing one only protects other people and not me!” and people who say wiping a swab on your child’s tonsils is child abuse is a tiny, incredibly vexed circle.

And utterly unable to see how ridiculous they are.

Child abuse? Stupid thing to say.

U4T klaxon out tonight?

@Malteser71

To be fair, most kids would not be bothered by what is a minimally invasive test.

dH and I test twice a week because we are nHS. Our children were concerned but fine once they saw us do it with no fuss.

Testing is the right thing to do.

But...the masks!

Masks stop you spraying particles on over people. So don't protect you unless medical grade but protect others. If everyone is wearing then less particles flying about.

A science teacher explained particle spray the other day. It similar to why you can smell a fart across a room apparently

@hatchershaze

Please stop the ridiculous fear momngering. Who exactly do you know under the age of 80 who has died? Its the Flu rebranded, sadly people have died, my grandmother also, who was 97 with dementia, renal failure but put as a Covid death. If you want to give me statistics please back them up with evidence, I will then take a good look. If not stop the rubbish talk. Kids do not need face masks because a) Asymptomatic is not a thing, b) children are not super spreaders, c) the tests are not reliable, d) it's a massive PR campaign to get you to have a jab (not a vaccine) and to sign up to the mass digital passport. If you can't see this then shame on you, because your children are next. You want this dystopian future for them?

I thought people who thought like this were an internet myth. I didn't realise you actually existed!

Unless this is an excellent satirical post to send up the people who think like this 🤔

The cases are still high. The priority list for vaccinations isn't finished yet. Tests and masks are the only way to try and get kids back to school early. Plus to try and stop them isolating all the time or schools closing again.

People that want kids in school need to think carefully. Until around the end of April this is the way forwards. If you don't want kids in school. Just keep pushing against these measures because you will get your wish.

@TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross You are on the internet 😂😂😂

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Eh? I'm aware of that but I don't get your point?

It doesn’t occur to anyone that there are children in school who are vulnerable to the virus? Children who want and deserve to be educated alongside their peers? Do they not matter?

@Malteser71
If children. Have to test negative to go to school, why ask them to wear a mask?
Because the tests aren’t 100% accurate, plus between testing you could become positive, so masks are added protection

@TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross

I think she meant you won the internet and I agree.

It really is time the conspiracy loons went into their bunkers with their tin hats and left normal people to get on with what needs to be done.

My daughter's school has mandated masks since October and almost every child wears one. Literally almost every single child. Standard comprehensive secondary school with its fair share of badly behaved kids. Turn up without a mask and they are given a disposable one and the parent is charged a small fee. The kids haven't batted an eyelid at this; it's all been fine.

I work in a school and we have been doing the tests and wearing masks. You only do the test twice a week so the mask is to cover the times when you might have got infected but not tested yet.

So because my children are in mainstream school but have SEN and may struggle with either masks or constant testing they can't access their rightful education? Damn good job it isn't up to you isn't it.

Yeah, our kids don't matter. Many on here though are so shortsighted they think that anyone who doesn't consent is some kind of anti-vaxxer, anti-mask idiot.

DS won't be wearing a mask or having tests, the next day I will don a mask and go get my first vaccine dose. The majority of people are battling through with the best they can do, but this won't always be everything.

but I can’t see why children who have been tested and allowed into school then require a mask

Really? You can't understand that you can contract the virus at any time and pass it on before you know about it? Or that the tests aren't the best and may miss the fact that you have covid? Or perhaps you can understand that there are children in school who are vulnerable to covid and masks may help them feel safer and protect them to some extent? Or that there are thousands of vulnerable adults who are not yet vaccinated who live in households with children so the less likely they are to bring it home, the less likely we are to pass it on to people who may struggle with it? Is it really that difficult?

I didn't see this thread I just started my own I feel so utterly deflated that isn't mandatory. For one younger DC there may be some compliance where she is but I know older will absolutely not have compliance where she is at all, it was hard enough getting them to wear them in corridors, loos and public places.
wishy washy crap as usual.

@Malteser71

Also who are we protecting now that the top four groups are vaccinated?

My children are wearing masks despite negative tests (and both parents fully vaccinated) to protect the vulnerable (who are all vaccinated) from the risk of a virus with a very very high survival rate, yes?

What’s the data on this? We literally have no peer reviewed data because we’ve never been in this position.

It’s simply to appease.

Did you like security theatre every time you went on a plane? Then you’ll love health theatre!

@IloveJKRowling

I personally think wearing masks for a limited time is worth it to reduce the number of kids catching coronavirus and going through this, before you even get to the impact on adult infection rates, morbidity and mortality. Masks, along with other measures, work.

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-children-hospitals-intensive-care-pims-b1796419.html

I don't understand why everyone is so precious about it in this country.

I was curious, so clicked. What a rubbish article. They are ‘preparing’, they did ‘modeling’, well, all of the modeling done by the UK has been so widely off target (hi Neil Ferguson).

What an unsurprisingly callous response, considering the article also states:

“Dr Liz Whittaker, infectious disease lead at the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health said the rise in cases of Covid-19 had led to an increase in PIMS cases in the last two weeks.”

That’s not speculation or modelling. That’s fact.

@TaxTheRatFarms

What an unsurprisingly callous response, considering the article also states:

“Dr Liz Whittaker, infectious disease lead at the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health said the rise in cases of Covid-19 had led to an increase in PIMS cases in the last two weeks.”

That’s not speculation or modelling. That’s fact.

This modelling cannot be used to predict admissions across the country, but paediatric experts believe they will begin to see a larger number of children with the condition with a peak expected in the next three weeks

This was published at the beginning of February, so did they see increased numbers after all?

I just don’t trust modeling anymore, they’ve screwed it up so badly.

has led to an increase

That sentence shows that’s she’s talking about what’s already happened.

Is the currently increased number not quite enough for you?