Omg negative people!

[LifeIsaShitShow]

Yes I know that the dates just mapped out by Boris are provisional but for the first time in god knows how long I feel positive and have hope. Yet certain bloody family members of mine have been in the phone/text basically telling me not to get my hopes up as we’ll be in lockdown number 4 come summer. I know they’re family but seriously fuck off! AIBU?

To be honest for me at least if I try and second guess how things will work out and expect the worse, I am no less disappointed if they go tits up than I’d be if I’d hoped for the best. Being prepared for things going wrong doesn’t mean I’m not gutted if that’s what actually happens.

I know there are so many negative people - imagine living with one of them! Life is really short and imagine spending most of it with someone who squeezes the life and joy out of every positive - say something good and they look for the negative angle all the time/day in day out/week in week out/month in month out....

Release good news on the infection rate - they moan
Release good news on the death rate falling - they moan
Release good news on the hospitalisation rate falling dramatically and they come back with the negativity.

Soul suckers doom merchants whatever term they really suck the positive energy. It must be hard work being so negative and always looking for the worst possible outcome for everything

Yes you are being very unreasonable OP.
I'd go further and suggest that wishing for a scenario that could cost tens of thousands of human lives makes you more than merely unreasonable!
What a kick in the teeth for all the effort we have gone to!

@ThroughThickAndThin01

I think it’s a great plan out and very welcome. If they have to wait longer between stages sobeit, but we need to move on.

Just you and me then,TTT. I too think it is well considered

As I understand it, we've got to vaccinate pretty much the entire planet before we can relax. So long as Covid is out there, circulating the globe, it could mutate, leading to a vaccine resistant variant. Inevitably, that variant will then make its way here.

@ComtesseDeSpair

A lot of it is politically motivated. Wanting the Tories to be doing a bad job. Wanting to be able to criticise their decision making. Wanting the vaccination roll out to go wrong. All last summer we had people ranting that every relaxation of lockdown was going to cause the “second wave” and the government would have blood on their hands - and none of it did, until schools returned and the autumn arrived. I’ve begun to think that these people would prefer to see greater illness numbers and deaths, because it means they can continue to use them as a way to demonstrate how awful the Tories are.

The thing is that the government has done quite a bad job a lot of the time.

I don't vote conservative but I don't want them to do badly at all! I would greatly have liked us to have had far fewer deaths. It's us that have suffered and will suffer!

It was very cheering that they found someone good at buying vaccines. It was also rather pleasing that it was a woman.

I think it's a real shame they're not listening to the scientists again. I would be only too happy for them to have eased us elegantly out of lockdown - and look good doing it.

It's a pity that there is a possibility now of more setbacks.

So because I’m simply hoping for the best and choose to be positive and hopeful I’m somehow being unreasonable and sticking it to the nhs for their valiant efforts throughout this awful ordeal, really?

As one of the less hopeful people here about this, I have to say I really do want it all to go right. What I'm worried about is this making the lockdown longer and making the risk of getting ill worse.

No-one wants it to go wrong. It's more that when you look at the figures and the situation, it looks like it's possibly (probably) going to extend the misery, long-term, not make it better.
It's like if you're on a long car journey in winter, there are delays up ahead on the well-lit, gritted road. You would rather stay in the jam because you can see it's starting to move, but the driver you're with decides to take a massive detour onto dangerously icy backroads instead that you know will lengthen your journey or even put you all in danger.

@LifeIsaShitShow

So because I’m simply hoping for the best and choose to be positive and hopeful I’m somehow being unreasonable and sticking it to the nhs for their valiant efforts throughout this awful ordeal, really?

For a glass-half-full person, you sure did start a negative post to moan about people doing/thinking differently, OP.

I'm laughing to read posts from posters who've berated Boris/Bojo all the way through, believing not a word and now that he's offered freedom, they're celebrating him. Bonkers! and contrary.

I'm happy to be 'released' from the open prison my life has become and I think many posters feel the same. That said, it's hard sometimes to see complete positivity if your life has been blighted in the meantime.

Live and let live, eh?

@LifeIsaShitShow

Yes I know that the dates just mapped out by Boris are provisional but for the first time in god knows how long I feel positive and have hope. Yet certain bloody family members of mine have been in the phone/text basically telling me not to get my hopes up as we’ll be in lockdown number 4 come summer. I know they’re family but seriously fuck off! AIBU?

They can't have ready the study of vaccines released today !

Yes but I don’t have an issue with people being negative and expecting the worst. That’s their choice to be that way. The issue I have is with family members (who know full well how much I’ve strugglers with my MH) practically laughing and putting down my excitement of the mere possibility of gaining
some resilience of a normal life back.

I hid this miserable topic a few weeks ago and came back tonight to see how quickly these miserly posters would suck all the joy out of tonights news. It didn't take long

Meanwhile in real life 🥳🥳🥳🥳

Sorry for the typos. Accidentally hit the post button.

@ComtesseDeSpair

A lot of it is politically motivated. Wanting the Tories to be doing a bad job. Wanting to be able to criticise their decision making. Wanting the vaccination roll out to go wrong. All last summer we had people ranting that every relaxation of lockdown was going to cause the “second wave” and the government would have blood on their hands - and none of it did, until schools returned and the autumn arrived. I’ve begun to think that these people would prefer to see greater illness numbers and deaths, because it means they can continue to use them as a way to demonstrate how awful the Tories are.

I hate the tories- but I totally agree with you on this and it’s pathetic. It’s definitely motivating my mum to be super negative just so she can have a go at them. She won’t countenance any positive news and always has a negative thing to say whenever any glimmer of hope threatens to arise.

@LifeIsaShitShow

Yes but I don’t have an issue with people being negative and expecting the worst. That’s their choice to be that way. The issue I have is with family members (who know full well how much I’ve strugglers with my MH) practically laughing and putting down my excitement of the mere possibility of gaining some resilience of a normal life back.

Ask them to stop? Reduce your time with them? Those are your only options really. You can't control what other people think, say and do.

Look after your own mental health and do whatever you need to preserve that.

Hope for the best, plan for the worst. And don't let people shit on your parade .

@herecomesthsun

I am neither celebrating nor despairing. I think that they would have done better to listen to Chris Whitty and opened schools stepwise.

However, we do have the vaccines, and we're in a better position than we've been all year, so fingers crossed.

Also, the devil is in the detail, we have yet to see the responses of the schools and unions to the mass testing arrangements etc. I thought Boris's promise regarding schools was quite carefully worded and liable to creative interpretation.

Agree.

I so want to be optimistic. I do believe things will improve and we will have a 'good' summer. But I can't see how it will be possible to fill pubs, clubs and planes again with people? After everything that's still happening? Just realistic.

Me, I'd settle for seeing my parents, family and friends indoors or at a bbq. And the schools staying open. I guess after the whole Christmas debacle and the crushing disappointment of that, I'm very wary. Expecting near normal not to resume till 2022. But don't want to bring people down, I'd bloody love for us to to return to normal again ASAP!

I hear you OP I want to believe it and I will choose to believe it because right now I need to. I’d settle for being able to swim again, going to my parents’ house, being able to go inside the nursery that my DS is starting with him.

Though I’m in Scotland so judging by Sturgeon’s previous, we Scots will see the rest of you in November. 2025. Oh I hope not, I do hope it all goes to plan now we have the vaccines.

I don’t consider myself to be a negative person. Just realistic.
I don’t like it when set plans, things I’m looking forward to, change. It makes me anxious. I’ve also been very optimistic all through this and have been proved wrong time and time again. I’ve just checked out a bit right now. I can’t change any of it so I’m just going day to day. I don’t consider myself to be depressed or unhappy even.... just disengaged.
I’d rather expect the worst and then be grateful when I’m proved wrong.
Other people being all joyous about it stresses me.
I’d never tell them though. Just let them get on with it. They’re entitled to their feelings just as I am.

Its not being negative to realise that none of the roadmap is set in stone and all the dates have a 'not before' caveat that is dependent on the vaccine programme staying on track and hospitalisations and deaths coming right down.

I really hope that it all goes to plan, but also won't be surprised if there's some bumps in the road. It's also important to accept that it might not be possible to be jetting off on foreign holidays or trips to see family abroad from late June onwards, because that's dependent on things being also in a good position in the country you're going to.

Plus if you're in anyway hoping for mass gatherings like festivals, these don't happen overnight, take significant investment in advance, and need to be pretty much at capacity to be financially viable.

Glastonbury has already been cancelled, so its far from a given that all those planned to happen from 21 June onwards will happen this year.

I started out really positive but that has now diminished to nothing but negativity. I don't want this to last forever but it's not really up to any of us is it? I remember being so excited for Christmas with my family who I hadn't seen for nearly a year and then it was snatched away at the last minute. And my kids being really excited to go back to school in January...for all of one day before that was also taken away So yes, sorry for not throwing a party at the news yesterday but I'm just expecting it to be a fuck up like everything else!

Maybe I would be described as a doom merchant but I just see it as a different way of coping with bad situation. It's not hard work or depressing, and actually I think it's made me happier! E.g. I wasn't gutted at Christmas because I didn't expect to see family, so I had a fab Christmas. I had a brilliant summer, packed lots in because I knew we'd be in lockdown again. I've not mourned the things we've lost too much because I knew early on the only way I would get through was to accepted the situation for what it is.

Personally, I prefer to be a doom monger because i know that crushing disappointment would be too much for me to handle and could send me into a very dark place. Others prefer to be Pollyannas because they need positivity, their mood and anxiety can't take anymore now, but know they can cope with the disappointment later if it happens.

I've had lots of messages on group threads from friends who are feeling very positive, but I've just stayed out of it. I don't feel positive or negative. I don't feel anything today - I just feel flat and empty. I wouldn't say anything because I don't want to bring anyone down, if that's how they deal with things good for them.

One thing I do believe though is that people shouldn't expect others to cope in the same way they do. Don't try and bring people down and don't expect people to feel things they don't. Either way you're setting them up to fail. Pollyannas are insufferable and no-one likes a Debbie Downer.

You do you.

I think to some extent always had attitude don't expect too much then I won't be let down or disappointed.
I don't consider myself a doom merchant or depressed far from it.

The issue I have is I feel school should be staggered.
I don't love home school but feel anxious about them going back.
My mums like well have the vaccines.
God knows when me or my husband get ours.
My kids won't and we live in much bigger place.
I keep telling mum you only getting 1st jab next week you not fully vaccinated.
Seeing her depends on Welsh rules so no idea whys she so swept up with Boris speech and we can't be locked up forever.
Financially we need non essential retail.
We have uk self catering holiday in July I guess maybe going ahead.

We never went with zero covid strategy
So all this we be normal like new Zealand or oz or 2019 won't be the case.
The virus Increased its decreases.
Maybe with warmer weather we have ok summer.
Autumn winter makes me feel much more anxious

Knowing Boris international travel August with lots world even Europe behind thier vaccination leaves scope for yet another new variant to take off.
Skeptical why r number doesn't matter any more.

No additional safety measures or funding for schools.
If they care so much about kids let's have class sizes if 16 to 20 with more tas and extra curricular activities with councillors and play therapists in every school.
Everyone so happy kids going back they fail to think what they going back to.