What does Boris mean by this? Aren’t the vaccines effective?

[fireflylanegirls]

On the Sky News page

Mr Johnson said lifting lockdown would result in more cases, more hospitalisations and sadly more deaths regardless of when measures are relaxed, because there will always be some vulnerable people who are not protected by the vaccines

So does that mean some vulnerable people will
still die? Even if vaccinated?

Of course. Do you expect the vaccines to protect everyone 100%?

well - nothing is 100%. No vaccine can be guaranteed to be 100% effective, plus not all the vulnerable will take it.

If you're 95 and near death, any virus including common colds can finish you off.

I suspect that flu deaths will be higher than Covid deaths in coming winters.

No vaccine is 100%. My child managed to get mumps, despite having all the MMR jabs.

Theres also people who cant be vaccinated due to other medical issues, or simply wont through choice.

Yes of course, same as some people die of fly even though they have the flu vaccine. What did you expect?

Obviously people are vaccinated against all sorts of things but can still die from them. Plus not all the vulnerable people will have the vaccine for one reason or another.

And let's not forget this today......amazing news

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56153600

Yes, some people will still die, even if vaccinated, because none of the vaccinations are 100% effective. And the vaccines don't prevent transmission, they just reduce it. And there will be vulnerable people who haven't had the vaccine for one reason or another.

There will always be deaths from covid, and the more mixing we do, the more transmission there'll be, and the more hospitalisation and deaths there'll be.

Boris has decided, having taken advice (I hope!), that the balance between health, mental health, the economy, children's education, and his own political reputation, means now is the right time to relax things a bit. It doesn't mean he thinks it's perfectly safe for every individual to start mixing with others because there's no danger from Covid. Quite the opposite, hence him relaxing things slowly and saying still stay local if you can.

Haven't you seen the news describing the vaccines as 84% effective (and similar)? So this is referring to the remaining percentage. No vaccine is 100% effective.

@Racoonworld

Yes of course, same as some people die of fly even though they have the flu vaccine. What did you expect?

@Racoonworld

Well the study for the Oxford vaccine said it prevented 100% of hospitalisation.

Yes. That's not surprising surely? No vaccine gives 100% protection.

Some people won’t have the vaccine, they might die 🤷🏼‍♀️

I take it to mean not everyone can have the vaccine

Ofgs, for the large part they are incredibly effective but some people will still die because some people won't take them and for some poor sods they will draw a short straw and will not mount the same immune response as the vast, vast majority, that's life really.

@fireflylanegirls in the study yes. It’s very positive news. But that doesn’t mean that absolutely everyone will survive. There aren’t really any illnesses where every single person survives, even colds and chicken pox people die. It’s very unrealistic to expect the vaccines to protect everyone.

@FourTeaFallOut

Ofgs, for the large part they are incredibly effective but some people will still die because some people won't take them and for some poor sods they will draw a short straw and will not mount the same immune response as the vast, vast majority, that's life really.

@FourTeaFallOut

I’ll probably be the short straw 😭

Yes I read that about the Oxford vaccine. So the 76% figure is effective against getting Covid but 100% against severe disease and hospitalisation.
So those who are at risk of death will be those not vaccinated for whatever reason? Vaccine refusal?
Also we’ve not got round the top 9 groups yet.

I’ll go and double check my thinking though.

And it’s not just the vulnerable who die and we don’t know how it will affect each person so those of us who aren’t vulnerable so haven’t had the vaccination yet could potentially die, not a huge risk but it’s there. Sorry to be cheery and I’ll add the proviso that it’s a risk I’m willing to take and have been anyway as I’ve always had to work.

You can die of an ear infection, or a cold. It's not possible to be 100% safe from the threat of any virus, or from anything really - your chair could kill you, in the right circumstances.

It's like people have forgotten that humans die, all the time, from all sorts of things

They're astonishingly effective, far exceeding anyone's hopes. The Scottish results are fantastic news.

They are not 100% effective. Nothing is. And of course, other illnesses and causes of death still exist.

We're not going to have 100% uptake of the vaccine either and we can't retain restrictions to protect those who can't or won't. And I say this as someone who won't be getting the vaccine.

No vaccine is 100% effective. No area of life is 100% risk free.

The goal was not to stop anyone getting Covid either. Surely you know this by now?

It isn’t just the old and vulnerable who die.

I personally have known 3 people who have died from this disease and none were old or vulnerable.

I'm not sure if I'm more amazed by how many fit young people who died of coronavirus some people know or how confident some people are of knowing the medical history of other people.