The vulnerable have not been vaccinated

[Icytundra]

I keep reading on here and in various other sources that the vulnerable have been vaccinated.

This is just not true. Very few have received 2 doses.

Some, like me, are yet to have the opportunity to book their first, yet are expected to teach face to face lessons in 2 weeks time.

The vulnerable have not been vaccinated.

One dose is vaccinated. Two doses are ideal, but we know one dose provides good levels of protection.

But no dose is not being vaccinated. The clinically vulnerable have not all had their first dose, or even if some have most of them won’t have had the 3 week window for immunisation to kick in.

We are still waiting for our first dose. On the news last night was talk about how 1 in 3 adults have been vaccinated - but in some areas they have gone past group 10 and are vaccinating healthy adults while other areas are still progressing through groups 5 and 6. I have no idea why in the areas who have done up to group 10 their vaccines have not been passed to areas stuck on groups 5 and 6. There are vulnerable teachers and parents and workers in these groups.

Up until priority group nine are vulnerable, so we wont be near protecting them until the end of April all being well. The top four groups are those most likely to die, so while there may be fewer deaths, there could still be plenty of very ill people.

My daughter is CV, unvaccinated and will be returning to school with no ppe. If she'd had her first jab I'd be happier, but they are still on group five here.

I agree, “vaccinated” is having had the 2 doses.

Not all vulnerable have had their first dose, and OP I agree that the emphasis should be on the first dose having happened, not complete vaccination.

I'm in Scotland and my 75 year old mum will only get her first vaccine this week. The vulnerable are nowhere near vaccinated

@peak2021

Not all vulnerable have had their first dose, and OP I agree that the emphasis should be on the first dose having happened, not complete vaccination.

Do you say that your child has not been vaccinated when they've only had their baby jabs and not yet had the pre-school booster? Technically they're not fully vaccinated until the booster, but no-one goes round saying they've not been vaccinated.

The vast majority of protection is provided by 1st doses.

A lot of people haven't had that first dose though

My Dad is vulnerable and hasn't had any doses yet. My Mum is fit and healthy and has had her first. He keeps asking and being told to wait. The vulnerable definitely aren't vaccinated.

Until group 6 has had their first dose there will be many vulnerable without any dose. Group six is a large group who are medically vulnerable and they are only just starting this group. The protection even for those being vaccinated won’t kick in for a few weeks.

I know all local authorities are different but those CEV are now told not to wait to be offered the vaccine but to book themselves via the nhs system, a vaccine centre or their GP. All are taking CEV in my local area.

Whilst I completely agree not everyone who should have had their first vaccine have, is it the case that they are being denied it when asked? As that isn't happening where we are. I'm part of a local support group for my particular illness and everyone who has reached out via various methods has been able to book their first dose

My area are currently vaccinating group 4.

I am in group 6 (unpaid carer) and have had a conversation with my GP about this, but they are clueless about all things covid and haven’t a clue whether I will be contacted.

I read 'the vulnerable have been vaccinated' so much in Mumsnet right now.

It's simply not true, even if you ignore the second dose.

Quite simply, a lot of the vulnerable have NOT yet received any vaccination at all.

Groups 5 and 6 are only officially a week in. Many places have not even started group 6.

Until recently groups 5-9 were being classed as vulnerable. Now that doesn't fit the rhetoric and only groups 1-4 seem to be vulnerable enough to count - strangely enough they're the groups who have now mainly all been called, though even then not all.

The hospitals currently have a high numbers of people outside of groups 1-4 in them, being treated for covid. Yes, groups 5-9 may be less likely to die, but they are also quite possibly going to end up ill, in hospital and with long lasting issues.

I'm group 6 and I ended up in hospital, had 7 weeks off work and 4 months later have ongoing health issues. I'm being vaccinated this week - I was bumped up the surgery list last week.

Groups 6-9 include a lot of working aged people.

It's been very very interesting seeing how people's perception of the groups more vulnerable to covid have changed in recent weeks. The government and the media are just the same as MN posters regarding this too.

I agree. There is a good level of protection from one jab.

But a better level, and expectations of more enduring protection from two.

Groups 1-4 were by and large done for first vax by mid-Feb. That means second jabs no later than early May, and allowing 2-3 weeks for second jab to 'take' fully, means that the full milestone is late May.

Though may be a bit earlier as vax invitations are beginning to appear for those done from mid-December, and people are being invited in form about 9-10 weeks (presumably to leave wiggle room so no-one exceeds 12 weeks)

There are some vocal posters on MN who are equating first jab with full course. This is of course factually wrong.

It's more accurate to talk of first jabs giving a good level of protection, full course even better. That is, of course, not a criticism of the vaccine roll out.

@ILookAtTheFloor

The vast majority of protection is provided by 1st doses.

Most people in the vulnerable groups 5-9 haven't had their first dose yet.

@Lockheart

One dose is vaccinated. Two doses are ideal, but we know one dose provides good levels of protection.

And what about groups 5-9 - OST of these haven't yet had one dose, let alone 3 weeks after it or a second.

No we aren't. I've had my invite, however I have been told to wait as I have allergies and some rare illness. My consultants also want to make sure it's been trialled on some other stuff I have.

I still have natural immunity thankfully after getting CV almost a year ago. Not so thankful for long CV.

Locally we only started Group 4 a few weeks ago, so a long way to go yet.

There are also medically vulnerable children. They are not getting a vaccine but are expected to be in classrooms in two weeks.

I'm so glad I'm not the only one that feels this way.

I will of course feel much better protected after my first dose, but I'm CV (group 6) and haven't been invited at all.

I think many people are also confusing CEV (who mostly have been done) and CV which seems to be a postcode lottery.

Just feeling worried this morning. I don't think I can go back to secondary teaching with no protection!

@Swirlingasong

There are also medically vulnerable children. They are not getting a vaccine but are expected to be in classrooms in two weeks.

Hopefully this time round parents are allowed to make that choice, and the LEA's use what powers they have to ensure it happens.

Yea I know, wishful thinking school agrees authorised absence, reduced timetable or similar and work never materialises.

Now, I thought this was going to be about vulnerable people in care homes or with disabilities, but who are not elderly.

That's quite a scandal.

For example,

www.nursinginpractice.com/covid-19/covid-people-with-learning-disabilities-had-six-times-higher-death-rate/

@pigletjohn I totally agree!