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No school for us til 9th April at the earliest. Royally fucked off now.

725 replies

WeAreFromThePlanetDuplo · 18/02/2021 17:30

Announcement just made for NI that most kids won't be going back to school until after the Easter holidays, and there's no guarantee of that. So fed up.

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Woolff · 19/02/2021 22:21

@MarshaBradyo

Not all schools hand over to teacher in any live way.

Secondary yes here. But primary the dc don’t see the teacher to hand over.

So you could either ask for it, or accept that they've taken this into consideration when setting independent work.

As an example, normally, we read things together that are above the children's reading ages, by supporting them. They can access them if we pull them apart, define words, guide them, give background details.

But if we set something to read as part of a homework task, it's at a particular level according to testing with an online system. Children are only asked to read alone at their own stage, and therefore it's manageable and not too challenging.

MarshaBradyo · 19/02/2021 22:23

It’s not a statement on what I need. Of course I can help my dc.

But your assumption that all teachers are there as you describe is incorrect.

TheJerkStore · 19/02/2021 22:31

We have 3 half hour live lessons a week. All the other work is to be done with our supervision. It takes is around half a day to get through everything. Me and DH are trying to do this alongside working very busy and stressful full time in jobs that don't allow for a huge amount of flexibility throughout the working day.

It's really not sustainable

Woolff · 19/02/2021 22:36

@MarshaBradyo

It’s not a statement on what I need. Of course I can help my dc.

But your assumption that all teachers are there as you describe is incorrect.

I don't assume they are. I was following up someone else's point about teaching their own children. I'm explaining that when love lessons are the case, it works, and all the teachers I know are doing this without exception. I know that won't mean all everywhere, but since the DfE have said there must be some direct instruction, schools must be covering this in one way or another, and this looks like the obvious and most popular way.

I also didn't say you couldn't help your own DC. But if you read what I wrote, you'll know that I dont think that a qualified teacher would see any benefit to setting work for children to do independently which actually requires or invited any adult 'help'.

MmeLaraque · 19/02/2021 22:43

@Woolff

Let the school 'school' the children. If what they're offering is not up to scratch, speak to them.

But really when it works, kids are literally occupied listening to teachers, following their instructions and working with them, and when they log off, they're done.

I keep hearing on here that people aren't getting what they expect, but there's no way, as a teacher, I'd be able not to offer what my school say.

So, I log on and have conversations with my tutor group (meeting them was scrapped during face to face last term, they just went straight to their lessons so as not to mix bubbles) about their learning and wellbeing. I direct them to their lessons and teach mine. Typically, I literally talk for a few minutes, introduce new ideas, question the children, set them discussion tasks in breakout rooms, come back together, model what I want, do some with them, let them have a go on their own, come back together to give class feedback, check understanding... Basically what I would do in a normal lesson (including expecting them to persevere independently to show what they can do!) and there's no time for the students to opt out, because I speak to them and expect them to try, and mostly they do. If they don't completely, I manage behaviour like I would in class. That might mean speaking to parents later, but not during the lesson.

I can't see the part where parents are needed for input or struggling with something that doesn't involve them.

As long as they check kids are up and able to listen, as far as I'm concerned, it's over to me. And I don't know any colleagues who wouldn't expect the same.

"let the school school children". You're confusing education with school. Education is what happens. School is a building. MIllions of us continued with our education *after school. Parents are a child's primary educators. Legally and otherwise. The fact that many parents choose to discharge their responsibilities by sending their kids to school for education is quite something.
Woolff · 19/02/2021 22:51

@MmeLaraque I completely agree that parents are responsible for their children and many would do well not to swear and cry over having to help them through the pandemic, so they might grow up to have some resilience.

But of those physically unable to take over educating, as they are working, many are still lamenting 'homeschooling' whilst teachers continue to provide the only education their children are receiving.

MmeLaraque · 19/02/2021 22:52

Bedsheets4knickers: "You are the exact sort of person I hope I do not meet IRL". That's your problem, not mine. I have my degrees, and know what I'm doing. I help and support parents and children who are struggling.

There is *so much ignorance in this thread. People who just don't understand the science, and otherwise. This is why the UK won't be getting out of this mess any time soon.

Fembot123 · 19/02/2021 22:59

[quote Woolff]@MmeLaraque I completely agree that parents are responsible for their children and many would do well not to swear and cry over having to help them through the pandemic, so they might grow up to have some resilience.

But of those physically unable to take over educating, as they are working, many are still lamenting 'homeschooling' whilst teachers continue to provide the only education their children are receiving.[/quote]
The arrogance 😖

expatinspain · 19/02/2021 23:14

MmeLaraque Your comment just came across as a bit of a write rant. I'm a teacher, I spend time with my child and all the school holidays. I also appreciate that she needs to spend time with her peers, not just with me. Lockdown was tough for her, as she doesn't have brothers or sisters. Spending 24/7 together with their parents, unless they're very young, isn't healthy for most children. They need to socialise and work better in class than remotely. I also know this from both sides of being a parent and a teacher. So don't go around calling other people ignorant as you just make yourself look silly and pretty arrogant. What exactly is it that makes you an expert or think that your opinion is more valid than other peoples. You've come across as a complete twat on this thread. I guess it's Friday, so possibly you are posting your patronising drivel after a few vinos.

expatinspain · 19/02/2021 23:15

*a bit of a rant - not a write rant!

TheKeatingFive · 19/02/2021 23:23

Ooh the twats are out in force tonight. Hmm

HauntedPencil · 19/02/2021 23:28

[quote Woolff]@MmeLaraque I completely agree that parents are responsible for their children and many would do well not to swear and cry over having to help them through the pandemic, so they might grow up to have some resilience.

But of those physically unable to take over educating, as they are working, many are still lamenting 'homeschooling' whilst teachers continue to provide the only education their children are receiving.[/quote]
Erm, what now?

HauntedPencil · 19/02/2021 23:31

[quote MmeLaraque]"I'm not a teacher/can't do this..."

Anyone who has successfully completed a courss of education shoudl be in a position to explain the content of that course to another person. If not, the education system has failed you badly. This is the criteria that tuition agencies use. This is the criteria that the PGCE/teacher training systems uses.

If you cannot manage to educate your own children, you need to start reading and educating yourselves. Perhaps you should have paid attention at school. Perhaps you had rubbish teachers. Either way, the resources are much better now. The Open university has "Open Learn" programmes. They're free. Anyone can register and sign up for individual free courses. There many courses, ranging from very basic, to more advanced. Try them. Don't assume your kids can't.
Kids are much mor eintelliegnt/resilient thgive them credit for. Let the kids look. Read. the course content.

excuse tpos: hand-eye coordination is shot... hopefully, most of you can read this anywya.
www.open.edu/openlearn/free-courses/full-catalogue[/quote]
This is hilarious.

We are in a once in a lifetime global pandemic- and you are berating people and telling them to go to an open university course.

I mean, what? Grin

Mylittlepea · 19/02/2021 23:31

MmeLaraque

Honestly. What a stupid comment.

I am well educated and currently holding down a FT job whilst studying a PT masters - I am very capable of teaching my children but there’s only so many plates I can spin right now, if only I could clone myself Hmm

HauntedPencil · 19/02/2021 23:33

@Mylittlepea

MmeLaraque

Honestly. What a stupid comment.

I am well educated and currently holding down a FT job whilst studying a PT masters - I am very capable of teaching my children but there’s only so many plates I can spin right now, if only I could clone myself Hmm

Why don't you clone yourself? I'm sure there is a course you could do for that. Stop making excuses and moaning, you lazy article.
HauntedPencil · 19/02/2021 23:34

@MmeLaraque

Bedsheets4knickers: "You are the exact sort of person I hope I do not meet IRL". That's your problem, not mine. I have my degrees, and know what I'm doing. I help and support parents and children who are struggling.

There is *so much ignorance in this thread. People who just don't understand the science, and otherwise. This is why the UK won't be getting out of this mess any time soon.

"I support parents who are struggling"

Gosh, do you?

garlictwist · 19/02/2021 23:35

It's not correct to say "everyone is vaccinated". The vast majority of people haven't been.

Inastatus · 19/02/2021 23:44

@woolff - you are so
arrogant.

Woolff · 20/02/2021 00:27

[quote Inastatus]@woolff - you are so
arrogant.[/quote]
Yes, it's terrible of me to be confident enough that I can to continue to teach like I'm supposed to and expect parents to do what they're supposed to in return.

There are countless posts on here about giving up, it not being worth it, shouldn't be their problem etc. I'm incredulous at that.

Exhaustedpanda · 20/02/2021 00:29

I hope they do the same in England.
Tbh for the sake of a few extra weeks, leaving it until after Easter could actually give us half a chance of them being back for good.

Saoirse7 · 20/02/2021 00:48

[quote MmeLaraque]"I'm not a teacher/can't do this..."

Anyone who has successfully completed a courss of education shoudl be in a position to explain the content of that course to another person. If not, the education system has failed you badly. This is the criteria that tuition agencies use. This is the criteria that the PGCE/teacher training systems uses.

If you cannot manage to educate your own children, you need to start reading and educating yourselves. Perhaps you should have paid attention at school. Perhaps you had rubbish teachers. Either way, the resources are much better now. The Open university has "Open Learn" programmes. They're free. Anyone can register and sign up for individual free courses. There many courses, ranging from very basic, to more advanced. Try them. Don't assume your kids can't.
Kids are much mor eintelliegnt/resilient thgive them credit for. Let the kids look. Read. the course content.

excuse tpos: hand-eye coordination is shot... hopefully, most of you can read this anywya.
www.open.edu/openlearn/free-courses/full-catalogue[/quote]

Wow, ever hear of pedagogy?

Knowing something and teaching are two completely different things.

Madcatgirl · 20/02/2021 01:11

I agree. I can’t keep this up. I literally finish school and then start work until 1am, I’m a mess, the kids are a mess.

Ylvamoon · 20/02/2021 08:41

@MmeLaraque If you cannot manage to educate your own children, you need to start reading and educating yourselves. Perhaps you should have paid attention at school. Perhaps you had rubbish teachers. Either way, the resources are much better now. The Open university has "Open Learn" programmes. They're free. Anyone can register and sign up for individual free courses. There many courses, ranging from very basic, to more advanced. Try them. Don't assume your kids can't

👍👍👍 I just quickly educate myself while I hold down that pesky FT job (you know, the activity that would PAY for the OU internet access! )
I then home school my DC with my polished up knowledge (and the new stuff like learning a language, drama and philosophy...) And finally between midnight and 3am I can teach DC.
Sarcasm aside, it's unsustainable to keep schools closed.

whenwillthemadnessend · 20/02/2021 08:45

@MmeLaraque

Do you honestly think working parents have time in too if everything else to learn to be a teacher in open university. I've literally heard it all now.

And do you honestly expect parents to remember and be able to explain subject like language maths science to an adequate level

How are parents supposed to provide practical skill wood work - metal work - practical science - textiles - can you put. a zip In a skirt for example. Needed for GCSE textiles. Do you have the chemicals for science experiments. Have you a heated pool to teach a primary school child swimming on the school curriculum and expected a child can swim 25 meters by year 6. This could save their life.

These opportunities are now lost. They can't all be caught up on.

This have got to be one of the most patronising statements I've EVER read in Mumsnet.

TheJerkStore · 20/02/2021 09:17

I support parents who are struggling

Really? By telling them the should have tried harder at school or telling them do an OU course?

I have a PhD in an education related subject and I'm struggling because I've not yet figured out how to be in two places at once.

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