Who would offer their kids to be tested on?

[spongebob1000]

Just saw this article and I'm curious to find out what your opinion is. I wouldn't volunteer my 6 year old to be tested on.

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine-to-be-tested-on-children-as-young-as-six-b919672.html

But the trials weren’t going to make him better. They were related to his routine care. (Should he be fed intravenously during a blood transfusion?) That wasn’t going to cure him of anything. He would get the transfusion anyway.

We shall have to agree to disagree then.

I won’t be letting my newborn be jabbed. If others want to, that’s their choice.

@Donoteatthekittens

Vaccine maker Janssen said it is looking into testing on newborn babies. Why on earth would you offer your tiny baby up?

Jesus Christ, share all the information for context instead of scaremongering.

‘The UK has ordered 30 million doses of the Janssen jabs and deliveries are expected to arrive in the second half of this year if the vaccine is approved by regulators.

It will initially extend trials to teenagers.

If the jab is effective in them, it will gradually test it on younger and younger children.

Hanneke Schuitemaker, who is head of viral vaccine discovery at Janssen, said discussions had begun to approve studies into the vaccine’s effects on 16 and 17-year-olds and after that ‘we will go further down to 12-year-olds but even to newborns at a certain point if all goes well’.

riveted1 - but they are still going to test on newborns. How is that scaremongering?

@Donoteatthekittens

We shall have to agree to disagree then.

I won’t be letting my newborn be jabbed. If others want to, that’s their choice.

Well obviously you love your newborn more than anyone else. That the response you're looking for?

titchy - yeah that’s EXACTLY what I meant, I win best mother award!

🙄

@Donoteatthekittens

riveted1 - but they are still going to test on newborns. How is that scaremongering?

You copied a daily mail headline without adding any context.

Jansen are looking to get approval to test in 16-17 year olds. If that goes well and show benefits to this age groups, they will slowly move down to those as young as 12.

In the future, if the vaccine is shown to be beneficial and protective in very young children, they will consider designing a trial to test efficiency in babies. It could potentially save lives.

All of this is heavily caveated, depends on many factors which they don’t know yet, and is not adequately explained by the scaremongering statement ‘they are going to test on newborn babies ’

*efficacy

riveted1 - if you feel I’m scaremongering, you can report my post.

I still wouldn’t allow my baby to be part of a trial.

No way, and under no circumstances. It seems pretty reckless to allow healthy children to be part of an experiment like this. I couldn't forgive myself if it harmed them, and it WILL harm some because that is the nature of these new vaccines.

Donoteatthekittens

riveted1 - if you feel I’m scaremongering, you can report my post.

I still wouldn’t allow my baby to be part of a trial”

Are you grateful that millions have in the past, so that your child can have their immunisations now and be protected from multiple, nasty diseases?

Stage 3 trials are not testing for safety, that’s been established. The tests are for efficacy.

DenisetheMenace - still not allowing my child to be part of a trial. Sorry.

Absolutely your right.

Have they had their childhood vaccinations?

@Donoteatthekittens

riveted1 - if you feel I’m scaremongering, you can report my post.

I still wouldn’t allow my baby to be part of a trial.

You’ll never have to!

Trials are voluntary. Assent can be removed at any time and many many steps are taken to make sure no one feels they’re being coerced into something they don’t want to do.

These kinds of posts are driving anxiety and fear and anti vaccination messaging. Again - you or your baby will never be forced to participate in a trial

I’m hugely grateful to anyone who considers participating and don’t understand why people who don’t want to get so aggravated about it.

I think the people that volunteer will most likely be those that have elevated concerns about the affects of covid. Or maybe KW who worry about bringing the virus home and have an understanding that the vaccine is a good thing. I had a look, it was only offered to 240 children and in four particular hospital catchments not near us. There’s no need to argue - the places on the scheme have been snapped up it seems.

I'm loving the hypocrisy of people who insist their own DC are fully up to date with their childhood immunizations yet scorn anyone whose child is used to test childhood immunizations.

I'm not in either of those categories and as I've said I'd be happy for DD to be in a trial.
Nobody will ever be forced to be in a trial, but like those who won't vaccinate their children and rely on herd immunity for e.g. measles, you should take a hard look at how you are benefiting from someone else volunteering.

@drspouse

I'm not in either of those categories and as I've said I'd be happy for DD to be in a trial. Nobody will ever be forced to be in a trial, but like those who won't vaccinate their children and rely on herd immunity for e.g. measles, you should take a hard look at how you are benefiting from someone else volunteering.

It is certainly an uncomfortable thought that some children will be testing vaccines and medicines for millions who come behind them. It doesn't change my feeling that I would never put my child in a medical trial unless they were very, very sick and they were trying out a potential new cure.

Hats off to those who are happy to take the risk of putting their children into vaccine trials, especially these new vaccines. Very brave and, I like to think, altruistic.

Am I selfish to not want my child to take part? Yes and no. I am selfish because I don't want to risk them being harmed now or in the future. On the other hand, it is my duty as their parent to protect them from harm and potential harm and to put them first.

I don’t think trials volunteering in later stage trials is ever 100% altruistic if you trust the trial you’re partaking in then there’s always the hope that you personally will benefit. The pay off for adult volunteers last year was that those who received the placebo would receive the actual vaccine quickly if it was approved. People who facilitate their dc participating in this particular trial will almost certainly be vaccinating them when it becomes available. It’s a different demographic to those who distrust the published science.

Medicine is always a risk and things change. Aspirin was approved for children until the 1980’s (synthetically manufactured since 1899 and in use for centuries before) because it took that long for Reye’s syndrome to be linked to it. My point being that you take a risk of ‘something’ every time you administer even well known medication/vaccines to your children.

Trialling a vaccine proved safe in adults on a child under close clinical supervision is probably safer than administering amoxicillin to a young child that you have no idea whether or not they have a sensitivity to penicillin and people don’t even think twice about doing that in their own homes.