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spongebob1000 · 2021-02-13T12:31:36+00:00

Just saw this article and I'm curious to find out what your opinion is. I wouldn't volunteer my 6 year old to be tested on. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine-to-be-tested-on-children-as-young-as-six-b919672.html

TheAuthorityofJackieWeaver · 13/02/2021 22:45

@DenisetheMenace you’re absolutely right. I’m extremely grateful to any parent who gave their consent for their children to trial any of the vaccines we now give routinely (although consent was a different animal in decades past) and I’m very grateful to any parent willing to put their children forward now for a trial of the vaccine. But I think you’re completely mad to do so and would never ever do so myself and I don’t understand you for a second. But of course I will happily take advantage of the results should it prove to be safe, which I am sure it will, and send my children to be vaccinated then.

MoirasRoses · 13/02/2021 22:46

I think OP is def an anti-vaxxer 😂

You do you OP. And maybe just be grateful some of us will make sure your child is protected in the future you knob.

riveted1 · 13/02/2021 22:46

@spongebob1000

I'll make something clear on here...you put your child through whatever you want but I will not take any risks with my child for ... as you say ..."the greater good"

Period

You won’t need to.

There will be huge numbers of families keen to give their child the chance of greater protection against coronavirus. It’s voluntary, assent can removed at any stage.

No one has ever implied your child will be forced to participate in a trial. But I’m not sure why you’re so adamant that all families should have your viewpoint, indeed if they did we’d struggle to get any new medications licensed for kids.

People who are happy for the child to participate understand the huge amount of red tape and planning that goes into a paediatric trial to minimise risk.

Dearymesheila · 13/02/2021 22:47

Seems like no one has learned their lesson after the swine flu vaccination that damaged some children’s lives.

If children don’t need it - they don’t need it. And certainly shouldn’t be given it to protect adults.

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spongebob1000 · 13/02/2021 22:48

My child had the vaccines because they had to be done...it's one of those things that you do.

I will not however put him through unnecessary pain for the greater good...if something goes wrong none of you will be there to help me care for him or worse help me live the rest of my life with the remorse

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riveted1 · 13/02/2021 22:48

@spongebob1000

Well...I feel for those kids that had to go through these trials ... mainly orphans that had no parents to look out for them.

If you read how these trials were carried out in history you would be petrified

🤦‍♀️

Now I regret getting involved in this thread!

Ohnomoreno · 13/02/2021 22:49

Nice. Well my child is in an immunity response study for covid. If I was asked then yes, I would let him take part. Because otherwise we never get on top of this and then he has no future anyway. Mist people seem to be happy to receive but not to give.

ammary · 13/02/2021 22:49

I wouldn't offer my child because I think things like this are something a person needs to consent to and understand what they are agreeing to.

I appreciate that someone has to do it though so it's a pickle.

I'd volunteer myself for a trial though.

DenisetheMenace · 13/02/2021 22:50

spongebob1000

Well...I feel for those kids that had to go through these trials ... mainly orphans that had no parents to look out for them.

If you read how these trials were carried out in history you would be petrified“

I’m not taking about history. I’m talking about now. Stage 3 Covid trials involving children are ethical and safe.

You have every right to say no on behalf of your own children and I would absolutely defend that. Other people feel differently though and as your children will probably ultimately benefit from their different opinion it would be magnanimous if you weren’t so scathing about their decision

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spongebob1000 · 13/02/2021 22:51

@Dearymesheila

Seems like no one has learned their lesson after the swine flu vaccination that damaged some children’s lives.

If children don’t need it - they don’t need it. And certainly shouldn’t be given it to protect adults.

I read about the Swine flu vaccine and the narcolepsy epidemic. Those poor souls - they were lied to :-(

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/shaunlintern/these-nhs-staff-were-told-the-swine-flu-vaccine-was-safe

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GlendaSugarbeanIsJudgingYou · 13/02/2021 22:51

The logical side of me says of course I would.

But the reality is I honestly couldn't.

I really admire all the parents who have said yes. I wish I was able to be that level headed.

DenisetheMenace · 13/02/2021 22:52

Ohnomoreno

“Most people seem to be happy to receive but not to give.”

You’re right. Not only that but they’re bloody rude about the people who do volunteer!

LegoPirateMonkey · 13/02/2021 22:52

It isn’t just for the greater good; it will give children the chance to mix again and resume reliable schooling without constant bubble closures. This will benefit children directly. Lockdown has been terrible for young people and we all want it to come to an end. Vaccinating as many people as possible is a key part of that happening. If schools reopen and children continue to circulate the virus among themselves, even if every adult is vaccinated, it creates opportunities for the virus to mutate and put us all back to square one. If children are vaccinated and it reduces transmission in schools, their mental health and future prospects improve. This can’t happen without the vaccine being tested on children. I can see a direct benefit to them of being vaccinated and being able to live normal lives again.

Oysterbabe · 13/02/2021 22:53

My DD had open heart surgery 2 years ago. The hospital approached us and asked if we would take part in a trial. When they stop someone's heart in surgery they bathe it in fluid to protect it. They were trying to establish whether warm or cold fluid was best. We agreed and when she had her surgery warm or cold was randomly selected, we still don't know which she had. We'll get a letter with the results of the trial at some point when the research is complete. We read a lot of information before agreeing and were happy that it was very safe. Hopefully in future they will know a bit more on how to get the best possible outcome for children having heart surgery. We weren't gambling with her life or putting her at risk. We aren't careless or reckless. We love our DD as much as anyone else, possibly more because she's been through so much. We were happy that she was safe and it might help others, why wouldn't you do it?

WoodpileHouse · 13/02/2021 22:55

The vaccines are safe, the testing is to see if children mount a good immune response.

Dearymesheila · 13/02/2021 22:59

If people are happy to offer up their own kids so be it.

It’s not a choice most people would take.

I still remember the swine flu kids.

‘Save grandad and have the swine flu jab...’

GlendaSugarbeanIsJudgingYou · 13/02/2021 23:00

@Oysterbabe

My DD had open heart surgery 2 years ago. The hospital approached us and asked if we would take part in a trial. When they stop someone's heart in surgery they bathe it in fluid to protect it. They were trying to establish whether warm or cold fluid was best. We agreed and when she had her surgery warm or cold was randomly selected, we still don't know which she had. We'll get a letter with the results of the trial at some point when the research is complete. We read a lot of information before agreeing and were happy that it was very safe. Hopefully in future they will know a bit more on how to get the best possible outcome for children having heart surgery. We weren't gambling with her life or putting her at risk. We aren't careless or reckless. We love our DD as much as anyone else, possibly more because she's been through so much. We were happy that she was safe and it might help others, why wouldn't you do it?

That's amazing.

Anyone who would consider such a decision "careless or reckless" can go fuck a duck.

I hope your DD is doing well 2 years on, Oyster.

Dearymesheila · 13/02/2021 23:01

@Oysterbabe

My DD had open heart surgery 2 years ago. The hospital approached us and asked if we would take part in a trial. When they stop someone's heart in surgery they bathe it in fluid to protect it. They were trying to establish whether warm or cold fluid was best. We agreed and when she had her surgery warm or cold was randomly selected, we still don't know which she had. We'll get a letter with the results of the trial at some point when the research is complete. We read a lot of information before agreeing and were happy that it was very safe. Hopefully in future they will know a bit more on how to get the best possible outcome for children having heart surgery. We weren't gambling with her life or putting her at risk. We aren't careless or reckless. We love our DD as much as anyone else, possibly more because she's been through so much. We were happy that she was safe and it might help others, why wouldn't you do it?

You absolutely did take a risk. She’s still alive and that’s why you feel that risk taking is good.

What if she had died?

Oysterbabe · 13/02/2021 23:05

If she had died it wouldn't have been because of the trial, it was safe.

GlendaSugarbeanIsJudgingYou · 13/02/2021 23:06

Jesus Christ, Deary.

A little fucking tact, perhaps?

kingat · 13/02/2021 23:07

I wouldnt, mainly because there must be some reason why covid doesnt affect children, so there is some difference in how adults react, so the fact that the vaccine works well for adults doesnt mean its less risky for children.

Comefromaway · 13/02/2021 23:09

My children are 17 & 19 but if they were younger I would.

Itsjustricemichael · 13/02/2021 23:09

So three reasons:

To reduced the direct risk of long covid or PIMS to your child. Decide for yourself which risk is smaller. But this is a direct benefit.
To develop a child vaccine and reduce the pool of people the virus is circulating in. The more it circulates the higher the risk of variants. One of those variants could make ot a lot more deadly to children. Again.. this is a direct benefit against a potential future threat. You can decide if you think this is significant enough.
Only the third reason, which is the development of the vaccine for CEV kids is an absolutely altruistic one.. or as some phrase it , only for the greater good.

DenisetheMenace · 13/02/2021 23:14

heAuthorityofJackieWeaver

@DenisetheMenace you’re absolutely right. I’m extremely grateful to any parent who gave their consent for their children to trial any of the vaccines we now give routinely (although consent was a different animal in decades past) and I’m very grateful to any parent willing to put their children forward now for a trial of the vaccine. But I think you’re completely mad to do so and would never ever do so myself and I don’t understand you for a second. But of course I will happily take advantage of the results should it prove to be safe, which I am sure it will, and send my children to be vaccinated then.”

Good, I’m very glad that you will. Vaccination is SO important,

Everyone has the absolute right to do what they think is right for their family. I have complete faith in science but totally appreciate that other people have a different opinion. There’s no need at all to be rude to each other about it.

KittyMcKitty · 13/02/2021 23:16

I would - I’ve had the Astra Zeneca vaccine- it made me feel rotten for 48 hours (properly rotten) and gave me a very sore arm.

My children saw how I felt after it and knowing that would volunteer (they are 15 and 17). They want the world back to being a place of excitement and optimism for their generation and this is a way to help achieve this.