When schools reopen, will you still stay at home ?

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When schools reopen, it will be tempting to think that if the kids are in a room with 30 kids all day that you might as well see some friends because what difference will it make. Even harder to resist allowing your kids to see friends after school and on weekends. Who will be able to resist the temptation?

As Ginty says, it’s allowed in Scotland so yes my kids will continue to meet up with friends when they go back on the 22nd, as they have all through lockdown. I cannot tell you what a difference it has made to their happiness during this lockdown versus the last one and am so glad that, much as I’m not a big SNP fan, we have a government in Scotland that actually gives a shred of a damn about children’s mental health.

In a major minority here but I'd rather my son saw family than went to school tbh.

[quote OpheliasCrayon]@WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants
You can get "long" whatever after any virus. It's nothing special or worth continuing this misery for[/quote]
Tell that to the people who can't walk/work/play with their kids/ breath properly/have heart issues ....

How you can, a year on, still be posting that Covid is nothing to worry about, is beyond belief.

Not sending anytime soon. Community numbers need to be low and mitigation improved. Not good enough for workplaces; not good enough for my kids. Children transmit, children get long covid. This government needs to sort itself out.

@alwaysplayingplaydoh

In a major minority here but I'd rather my son saw family than went to school tbh.

Snap!

Tell that to the people who can't walk/work/play with their kids/ breath properly/have heart issues

36000 people die every year due to air pollution. Those people don't just keel over one day after a life time of good health. They live exactly the kind of life you describe. And yet the world continues to turn.

In the UK.

It's not that I don't think it exists and it's not that I don't think those with long covid don't need help and support. But long covid will not be the reason why restrictions remain in place in the absence of swathes of deaths and hospitalisations.

My kids school have advised they'll be unable to continue accomodating children whose families are actively ignoring the current lockdown rules. The kids are going into school and innocently talking about where they've gone and who has come into their houses. When schools reopen, we'll stay home as much as possible. It's hit very close to home for us so would be ridiculous to start being reckless at this point.

@LostInMoab As Ginty says, it’s allowed in Scotland so yes my kids will continue to meet up with friends when they go back on the 22nd, as they have all through lockdown. I cannot tell you what a difference it has made to their happiness during this lockdown versus the last one and am so glad that, much as I’m not a big SNP fan, we have a government in Scotland that actually gives a shred of a damn about children’s mental health

The government have completely ignored primary school children’s ability to have social contact in England through lockdown. You are very fortunate that in Scotland and in Wales more consideration has been given to children’s wellbeing. With Johnson’s track record it’s hard hardly surprising that not much thought has been given to children though.

I've been teaching large groups throughout (infant school teacher) but won't see my parents until they've both been vaccinated.

I’ll definitely be staying at home, working!

Makes no sense at all. If you have to go into a classroom, you have to cut back all other contacts to compensate. Not rocket science.

@WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants honestly, I've seen so many of your replies to things , and whilst I don't know you in real life , your posts are usually on the completely over the top side of things and I find it difficult to see how you're being completely rational.

I have very long long standing health issues which cause constant serious issues for me and my family so, im no stranger to how illness can affect people. But the thing is, a 'long" symptom illness is a thing and it always has been, for any virus. - ME / CFS can be caused by any virus and is debilitating to people often for years, so the fact that it's happening from this virus is nothing new. Yes it might seem like it's more prevelant with covid but that is because we are in the middle of a pandemic so obviously a lot of people have the illness and therefore there are going to be a substantial number of people who then have long standing issues.

This DOES happen with other viruses, all the time, and I'm not minimising it, but we don't lockdown and stop society functioning for that, so we can't for this.

I'm sorry, I've called you out I know, but your posts do usually follow this sort of alarmist trend.

My son is doing phenomenally from home. Both DH and I are teachers, but he didn’t choose our subjects at GCSE, so we’ve been unable to help him that much...

but his work on the computer has been that much better than what he produces handwritten in school. There are no distractions from other children. No bullying. He is happy as both DH and I are in the house, so there’s company. It’s not like the awful isolations he was having to do on his own all day everyday.

He knows he’s producing ‘evidence’ for his grades, so is making sure he dots the i’s and crosses the t’s. His teachers all think he’s going to get A*’s.

He doesn’t want to go back to school, not because of the virus, but because he is enjoying working at his own pace and is never slowed down by the class.

After school he socialises on games or discord or whatever and if another pupil starts being nasty, they can be blocked. He goes for a long jog for his exercise. I’m sure his teachers wouldn’t recognise him!

Although I’d rather him be out, he is getting along just fine and I’m tempted to allow him to finish his studies from home this year if he is able to. Like others I would rather he got to see his cousins; grandparents, celebrate birthdays and occasions with a meal out etc. That’s what my son is really missing.

I understand it’s all personal though.

The first people to catch covid at my child’s secondary school were those who had sleepovers etc and they came into school with covid spreading it to teachers and other pupils whose families had stuck to the rules and these children who had followed the rules but got infected at school took it back to vulnerable parents. Surely it is obvious that sitting in a classroom facing forward with the windows open for an hour long lesson is less likely to spread covid than your child sharing an unventilated bedroom with one or more children for a whole night particularly as they are likely to be facing each other chatting for prolonged periods. The more care everyone takes to minimise risk out of school the less chance covid will come into school in the first place. We will have no temptation to socialise indoors at weekends until it is warm enough to entertain friends outside as we do not want to catch covid. Next winter hopefully things will be different as most adults will be vaccinated. If people can hold off from socialising indoors a bit longer there will be more chance of sports centres and shops reopening.

I can tell you now that compliance has an expiration date. People may comply for the first few weeks after the schools go back...but this will slip as the weather gets warmer and businesses get anxious to open back up...after all, we’re getting back to normal after all. And rightly so.

People without children will NOT be happy to remain locked up longer and unable to see their families, just because schools are open. Schools are not important to everyone.

When everyone is locked down, we all comply to a certain extent, otherwise we stand out as not complying.

When some sectors begin to open and movement starts...non-compliance is less obvious and so you can get away with more. Human nature :)

I hope not.

I've worked in school throughout and our RA says parents and staff must follow the guidelines whilst their children attend.

I have no idea if there's any consequences to not but it's really selfish to mix and risk your child asymptomatically taking it into school to spread around and back into the community.

Actually - it's horrendously selfish.

[quote OpheliasCrayon]@WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants honestly, I've seen so many of your replies to things , and whilst I don't know you in real life , your posts are usually on the completely over the top side of things and I find it difficult to see how you're being completely rational.

I have very long long standing health issues which cause constant serious issues for me and my family so, im no stranger to how illness can affect people. But the thing is, a 'long" symptom illness is a thing and it always has been, for any virus. - ME / CFS can be caused by any virus and is debilitating to people often for years, so the fact that it's happening from this virus is nothing new. Yes it might seem like it's more prevelant with covid but that is because we are in the middle of a pandemic so obviously a lot of people have the illness and therefore there are going to be a substantial number of people who then have long standing issues.

This DOES happen with other viruses, all the time, and I'm not minimising it, but we don't lockdown and stop society functioning for that, so we can't for this.

I'm sorry, I've called you out I know, but your posts do usually follow this sort of alarmist trend.[/quote]
I'm not alarmist. This time last year people were accusing me & others of scaremongering. Saying we were talking crap and that the U.K. wouldn't lock down, it wouldn't come here etc etc. It was a problem for China, nothing to worry about etc.

We said the 'eat out to help out' was madness as was sending all kids back to school -yet again a barrage of scvudations re scaremongering 🙄🙄

It's not alarmist, it's realistic.

I have read your many posts about your long term Illness & I do feel sorry for the you. But it seems to cloud your thinking that Covid is as seriously it is - and long Covid. They're building additional recovery places to try to help people regain their health. I'm sorry you don't feel people have understood how it is for you before now, but constantly telling people

FWIW I do know how debilitating long term
Illness is after a viral infection, as I suffer from it myself & have done for many years now. I just don't see that my long term
issues, make Covid any less awful for others.

@WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants no need to feel sorry for me regarding my illnesses, I certainly don't feel sorry for myself and wouldn't went anyone else to. It is what it is and I live with it best I can.

It does and it doesn't colour my judgement with regards to covid. In the sense that for me - having had covid and it being minor and then obviously my own illnesses being more serious... But that doesn't affect my judgement about covid overall. I know I had it mildly but I am not so blind that I would think that it isn't a serious situation.
I follow the rules, not for myself really because I knew it didn't affect me but for others and the fact that I work with vulnerable children and their families so the thought of ever passing it to them is more than I could deal with. Likewise we haven't seen our parents for the whole of the year as they have been shielding.

What you've said doesn't change my opinion
about how I feel you see covid / long covid and the fact that I do find it alarmist.... It happens, as I said, from all viruses. It happens to adults, young adults, children. ..post viral fatigue / CFS / ME ... And it always will do... If matt hancock is right and we learn to just live with covid by the end of the year we are STILL going to have 'long covid " and "long " every other virus there is, which will affect people, sadly. As I said, it seems all consuming now, because there are so many people with covid and suffering from after affects...because obviously there are more people with covid than other viruses due to it being a pandemic.

I don't think it's at all reasonable to shut down the entire of the schools / economy / life in general for a post viral illness - we don't do it for anything else. When the majority of people are vaccinated and the cases are less / less severe why on earth would the whole country need to stop and be on its knees for a completely normal thing that happens after any virus, to any age, and for any duration. We can't - there quite simply is much much much more to life than covid, and I'm not so sure that you see that.

I cant make you believe me and nor would I try, you feel the way you do and I feel the way I do. I can assure you though that my illnesses do colour how I view covid for myself and my own risk but not how I view the situation as a whole. And there is absolutely no reason whatsoever at all to feel sorry for me - in fact I really would rather you didn't.

[quote OpheliasCrayon]@WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants no need to feel sorry for me regarding my illnesses, I certainly don't feel sorry for myself and wouldn't went anyone else to. It is what it is and I live with it best I can.

It does and it doesn't colour my judgement with regards to covid. In the sense that for me - having had covid and it being minor and then obviously my own illnesses being more serious... But that doesn't affect my judgement about covid overall. I know I had it mildly but I am not so blind that I would think that it isn't a serious situation.
I follow the rules, not for myself really because I knew it didn't affect me but for others and the fact that I work with vulnerable children and their families so the thought of ever passing it to them is more than I could deal with. Likewise we haven't seen our parents for the whole of the year as they have been shielding.

What you've said doesn't change my opinion
about how I feel you see covid / long covid and the fact that I do find it alarmist.... It happens, as I said, from all viruses. It happens to adults, young adults, children. ..post viral fatigue / CFS / ME ... And it always will do... If matt hancock is right and we learn to just live with covid by the end of the year we are STILL going to have 'long covid " and "long " every other virus there is, which will affect people, sadly. As I said, it seems all consuming now, because there are so many people with covid and suffering from after affects...because obviously there are more people with covid than other viruses due to it being a pandemic.

I don't think it's at all reasonable to shut down the entire of the schools / economy / life in general for a post viral illness - we don't do it for anything else. When the majority of people are vaccinated and the cases are less / less severe why on earth would the whole country need to stop and be on its knees for a completely normal thing that happens after any virus, to any age, and for any duration. We can't - there quite simply is much much much more to life than covid, and I'm not so sure that you see that.

I cant make you believe me and nor would I try, you feel the way you do and I feel the way I do. I can assure you though that my illnesses do colour how I view covid for myself and my own risk but not how I view the situation as a whole. And there is absolutely no reason whatsoever at all to feel sorry for me - in fact I really would rather you didn't.[/quote]
Fine, I'll have no sympathy for your situation if you prefer, but then I'm a little bit confused why you mention it so frequently?!

Anyway, you patronising me, is rather pathetic.

The question was? Once schools go back, will you still stay at home?

Snd yes, I will, because we will only have a little head room to increase infections and that will be used by schools going back. If people want kids at school they need to restrict other contact. There's no 'if kids are at school I might as well see friends let them see others etc etc' because they are ALL additional risks.

Being able to assess risk & see what will happen is not alarmist, it's just common bloody sense and if you can't see that I'm not sure what anyone can say to halo you understand.

I'm out of this back & firth before it turns anymore personal.

I've answered the OP.

I'll keep following whatever the rules are.

Once/if rule of six comes back, I will be using it and seeing groups of friends. I really miss adult company with just one walk or so a week without the children. Will be pleased for them once they can go to school, and my husband works out of the home, so has seen his colleagues which has been easier on him, as well as being able to leave the house to do his work uninterrupted rather than work/home schooling!