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How much longer are we meant to do this?

621 replies

Creamteaincornwall · 07/02/2021 22:37

I have so many friends who are at the end of their tether. Some suicidal, many almost.
I attend a zoom support group for my mental health and emotional well being as I have BPD and ASD. The last few weeks have been horrendous, every person is at the lowest they’ve been since the beginning of all this.
The amount of posts I’ve read on various Facebook groups of people saying they don’t want to get up in the morning anymore, they just stay in bed. Surely this isn’t doing anyone any good physically or mentally?
Surely this will put most in a weaker position if they were to catch covid?

How much more are we all suppose to take of this? With no end in sight?

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Derbee · 08/02/2021 16:58

@ClarencesMum

We do have choice.
Nonsense level if you were the type of arsehole nd do what you want, almost everything is closed. You can’t really do anything, so there isn’t choice.

No restaurants, cafes, cinema, water parks, theme parks, concerts, festivals, weddings, etc etc etc.

What a strange thing to say that “we have choice”

southeastdweller · 08/02/2021 16:59

Well done you. Go for it. But no-one should complain if the next step is detainment for people who refuse to follow the rules. But then none of us would be in this situation if they had locked everyone down at the beginning, closed the borders, and used the army to distribute food parcels to the nation.
28 days and it would have been over. What do you do if they start locking people up who cannot be trusted to remain in lockdown? Can you family make do if your are detained for medical reasons? Or do you not give a care like you said

Detainment? The police, generally, can do fuck all to enforce the laws, and we all know it.

ElliFAntspoo · 08/02/2021 16:59

Detainment where? Prison? Not enough room.
I am sure if they needed to detain people, and it were required because they refused to follow lockdown rules, they would find the means to do so. Our country found acres of space for 'Covid Hospitals' that were never used, fitted out with beds and equipment for photographs and then stripped again. If they needed to fit them out with cages I'm sure they could do it, but I trust that escalating fines and criminal records would deter most sane people and such steps would not be necessary.

Why on earth would this happen?
What I was asking was, if you do take your courageous stance against the government and find yourself detained, I trust it has no impact on your family? I.e. they do not require the income or support your presence provides day to day. My family depend on me, so if I decided to champion a cause and rail against the lockdowns, and ended up locked up, it would cause a major problem.

They won't.
They have already changed the law to make breaking lockdown a criminal offence. It is currently not a 'recordable offence' which means you cannot get a custodial sentence, only a fine, and it does not appear as a disclosable crime on your record. Are you saying they cannot change the lay to make it a recordable crime? Or just that you don't think they will because people won't like it if they do?

Bollss · 08/02/2021 17:03

@ElliFAntspoo

Detainment where? Prison? Not enough room. I am sure if they needed to detain people, and it were required because they refused to follow lockdown rules, they would find the means to do so. Our country found acres of space for 'Covid Hospitals' that were never used, fitted out with beds and equipment for photographs and then stripped again. If they needed to fit them out with cages I'm sure they could do it, but I trust that escalating fines and criminal records would deter most sane people and such steps would not be necessary.

Why on earth would this happen?
What I was asking was, if you do take your courageous stance against the government and find yourself detained, I trust it has no impact on your family? I.e. they do not require the income or support your presence provides day to day. My family depend on me, so if I decided to champion a cause and rail against the lockdowns, and ended up locked up, it would cause a major problem.

They won't.
They have already changed the law to make breaking lockdown a criminal offence. It is currently not a 'recordable offence' which means you cannot get a custodial sentence, only a fine, and it does not appear as a disclosable crime on your record. Are you saying they cannot change the lay to make it a recordable crime? Or just that you don't think they will because people won't like it if they do?

Lol, okay. If you really think that.

There are not enough police to police this.

They can make it a crime, and perhaps they will, but how are people going to get caught?

ElliFAntspoo · 08/02/2021 17:07

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murbblurb · 08/02/2021 17:15

All those who are ' done waiting' for restrictions to ease - try having a relative with covid and waiting for a phone call to say they are heading for ICU. Or being that person and waiting to see if you are going to be one of those starting to suffocate. The virus is very capricious and anyone of any age can be in that situation. You aren't special.

Yes, times are shit. Yes, it is wrecking our economy and health in many other ways.

Embra · 08/02/2021 17:17

The worst is that protesting this by going outside on a protest is illegal. And when you say there is not enough police, well they expect now neighbors to police each other.

tootsytoo · 08/02/2021 17:18

@murbblurb I honestly genuinely don't expect strangers to fuck their lives up - not for me or my family.

Do you expect someone to save you over them or their family on a sinking ship?

So why is COVID any different

It's at the point where people are losing jobs, businesses and health for others.

It's FUCKED UP. Beyond belief

pistachioglace · 08/02/2021 17:20

@RaspberryCoulis

If people are struggling mentally to the point that some are suicidal then you go and see them, hug them and let them know you are there for them.

Covid is not the only thing which matters.

I feel really sorry for the people who are struggling to that extent who have nobody or who dare not open up and admit it for whatever reason.
ElliFAntspoo · 08/02/2021 17:20

There are not enough police to police this.
We have a military, and they do what they are told. But like you said, I don't think the amount of covidiots will increase. Most of it is just hot air.

They can make it a crime, and perhaps they will, but how are people going to get caught?
They already made it a crime. It is already a criminal offence. They did that when they realised that without there being a criminal offence, a fine for a civil infraction would not be upheld. So not when you break covid restrictions you are actually committing a criminal offence and not a civil offence, and it's not like the police have anything else to do.

Besides, simple thing would be to make it illegal for holiday parks, holiday lets and B&Bs to take booking. Then unless you have your own holiday home or a motor home, you are rather limited, and even then the police could just stop motor home travel, fine people and send them home. Then you're limited to private arrangements which you would have a problem dealing with, but again, if people in a small village are losing their livelihoods because of zero tourism, and new faces turn up in town maybe that raises resentment and police get called. It's happening up in the north of Scotland where the English tourists are most unwelcome.

Bollss · 08/02/2021 17:21

@murbblurb

All those who are ' done waiting' for restrictions to ease - try having a relative with covid and waiting for a phone call to say they are heading for ICU. Or being that person and waiting to see if you are going to be one of those starting to suffocate. The virus is very capricious and anyone of any age can be in that situation. You aren't special.

Yes, times are shit. Yes, it is wrecking our economy and health in many other ways.

Can be doesn't equal likely to be.
ElliFAntspoo · 08/02/2021 17:22

I feel really sorry for the people who are struggling to that extent who have nobody or who dare not open up and admit it for whatever reason.
Yep, helping someone who is suicidal and needs help is worth the £200 fine in my books.

Bollss · 08/02/2021 17:23

@ElliFAntspoo

There are not enough police to police this. We have a military, and they do what they are told. But like you said, I don't think the amount of covidiots will increase. Most of it is just hot air.

They can make it a crime, and perhaps they will, but how are people going to get caught?
They already made it a crime. It is already a criminal offence. They did that when they realised that without there being a criminal offence, a fine for a civil infraction would not be upheld. So not when you break covid restrictions you are actually committing a criminal offence and not a civil offence, and it's not like the police have anything else to do.

Besides, simple thing would be to make it illegal for holiday parks, holiday lets and B&Bs to take booking. Then unless you have your own holiday home or a motor home, you are rather limited, and even then the police could just stop motor home travel, fine people and send them home. Then you're limited to private arrangements which you would have a problem dealing with, but again, if people in a small village are losing their livelihoods because of zero tourism, and new faces turn up in town maybe that raises resentment and police get called. It's happening up in the north of Scotland where the English tourists are most unwelcome.

Ok so you can commit a crime but nothing will happen because there's nobody to police it. Ok they could use the military but it's unlikely, isn't it?

I appreciate this is probably your weird fantasy and you'd quite like it, but scaremongering about it is vile.

pistachioglace · 08/02/2021 17:24

@ElliFAntspoo

I feel really sorry for the people who are struggling to that extent who have nobody or who dare not open up and admit it for whatever reason. Yep, helping someone who is suicidal and needs help is worth the £200 fine in my books.
Hmm.
Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 08/02/2021 17:24

elli your posts are hilarious.

This was NEVER about people not doing enough. 28 days?! Are you kidding me?

It’s been a year and we have asked far too much of our young. I hope they do start rebelling and I support them if they do. Life has to go on now - and of that means people like me die then so be it. This is utterly ridiculous

ElliFAntspoo · 08/02/2021 17:24

@Embra

The worst is that protesting this by going outside on a protest is illegal. And when you say there is not enough police, well they expect now neighbors to police each other.
People are already phoning the police to complain about neighbours holding parties.
ElliFAntspoo · 08/02/2021 17:31

@Embra - Misread. Yes, people are already reporting and yes, it is a criminal offence, not a public order offence if you protect. This is needed in order to control those who choose not to obey.

ElliFAntspoo · 08/02/2021 17:33

Hmm. As in, I'd argue that in front of a judge any day if it help save someone's life.

Bollss · 08/02/2021 17:35

[quote ElliFAntspoo]@Embra - Misread. Yes, people are already reporting and yes, it is a criminal offence, not a public order offence if you protect. This is needed in order to control those who choose not to obey.[/quote]
Maybe we should just shoot them dead instead? What do you reckon?

tatutata · 08/02/2021 17:40

@Cowmilk cress is really fun to grow with the kids if you've not done it already.

Kazzyhoward · 08/02/2021 17:42

@Creamteaincornwall

Do those saying there’s an end in sight think that there will be some normality by Easter?
Depends on what is your "normal". There won't be any large gatherings, probably no pubs/restaurants open, so if that's your "normal", then no. But, hopefully, shops will be open, as will hairdressers, schools, etc so if that's your "normal", then yes.
ElliFAntspoo · 08/02/2021 17:48

@TrustTheGeneGenie
Maybe we should ... ? What do you reckon?

I reckon we should do our jobs, look after our families and obey the lockdown restrictions. I've made that clear from the start. I don't understand how any of that is not clear.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 08/02/2021 17:49

28 days and it would have been over.

I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark.

You're not a virologist, are you? Wink

RosieLemonade · 08/02/2021 17:50

@murbblurb

All those who are ' done waiting' for restrictions to ease - try having a relative with covid and waiting for a phone call to say they are heading for ICU. Or being that person and waiting to see if you are going to be one of those starting to suffocate. The virus is very capricious and anyone of any age can be in that situation. You aren't special.

Yes, times are shit. Yes, it is wrecking our economy and health in many other ways.

My nanny died alone having not seen her family for six months from something totally unrelated from covid that went undiagnosed because she didn't want to waste the doctors time during a pandemic so please don't guilt trip people.
Bollss · 08/02/2021 17:53

[quote ElliFAntspoo]@TrustTheGeneGenie
Maybe we should ... ? What do you reckon?

I reckon we should do our jobs, look after our families and obey the lockdown restrictions. I've made that clear from the start. I don't understand how any of that is not clear.[/quote]
Yeah and were all already doing that... so what's your next suggestion?