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Extending school term at end of July

618 replies

NeverForgetYourDreams · 07/02/2021 16:21

That's not going to work. Another ridiculous idea. What about all those people that moved their cancelled holidays for 2020 by a year. Summer holidays may go ahead if vaccine roll out happens and who is going to cancel and lose their money - I'm not. Will be lots of absent children.

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RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 08/02/2021 18:18

Longer holidays when illnesses are rife in schools.

Dull. as. shit. People want to spend time on their holidays outdoors doing fun stuff in nice weather, not indoors watching telly. No one wants to be on holiday in the UK right now being outdoors, and there aren't any hotter/warmer places nearby cheaply either.

Long winter holidays suit rich folk who like skiing and can afford to go on long haul holidays.

motherrunner · 08/02/2021 18:19

@Carlislemumof4

So all those criticising my comment are up for a full reopening of primaries and secondaries on March 8th? No further closures. That makes the argument for keeping the borders open and holidays across the UK and abroad reasonable, whatever my personal feelings on people taking those risks for their communities.

But calling full reopening madness while demanding holidays be prioritised? Not at all reasonable or fair to those families whose children are losing out on a classroom education with peers and whose parents businesses are closed while those borders remain open.

Pressure from the unions and the teachers that support them (not all by any means of course) did keep my children out of school longer than they should have been last year, did lead to primary closures this Jan/Feb and is standing in the way of the fundamental changes needed (complete overhaul of term dates, summer school). Repeating a year a decision for the government absolutely and one I sense they unfortunately aren't on board with.

Funny, I thought a pandemic with high transmission rate and what has caused in excess of 100,000 deaths was what caused schools and other institutions and businesses - to close, not teachers and their unions. I must have more power than I realise.

Wonder what I should do with super power? 🤔

noblegiraffe · 08/02/2021 18:19

You really shouldn’t believe everything you read in the Daily Mail, Carlisle.

If the unions are so powerful that they can close schools and keep them closed and closed them last year too, how come they couldn’t even get masks in secondary schools in September last year? Or any sort of mitigation measures? The government didn’t even pay for hand sanitiser. Doesn’t sound like the actions of a government who gives a toss about teaching unions does it?

Awalkintime · 08/02/2021 18:22

Carlislemumof4

I hope you're cancelling your Keswick cottage then as you speak given you're so passionate about not going on holiday.

MrsHamlet · 08/02/2021 18:26

But calling full reopening madness while demanding holidays be prioritised?

Has anyone here said that?

borntobequiet · 08/02/2021 18:26

Love the attempts to blame teachers for causing the pandemic with their selfish holidaymaking as well as closing schools in the interim and potentially reinfecting everyone in September with more of said reckless international travel.
It really is a skill, this business of seizing on something someone says, twisting it and blowing it out of all proportion. Well done! Terrific effort.

year5teacher · 08/02/2021 18:31

So all those criticising my comment are up for a full reopening of primaries and secondaries on March 8th?

Yep. Next?

Italiandreams · 08/02/2021 18:33

Happy to go back, as are all the teachers I know. May be a little nervous for own health but would absolutely just get on with it for good of children. Don’t know why you think differently unless you read the daily mail too much.

Letseatgrandma · 08/02/2021 18:37

So all those criticising my comment are up for a full reopening of primaries and secondaries on March 8th? No further closures.

I haven’t closed schools and I can’t reopen them-I’m just a teacher. When the government tells schools to open more, we will. My opinion has nothing to do with it.

If we’re allowed to go abroad in the summer, I will.

Bluepiano · 08/02/2021 18:52

@Nellodee

Honestly, I think the policy for schools is just to have a bunch of monkeys on typewriters, spewing out any old shit, just so they can say that teacher's are being obstructive.

Send them in in no masks! Full classes, no matter how many cases! Get them to work after school! In their holidays! Get them to run mass testing programs! Stop the mass testing! Do a bit of mass testing! Rotas! No Rotas! Rotas! Catch ups! No catch ups! Laptops! No, not that many laptops! School meals! No schools meals! School meals! Hot meals! Cold meals! Kids in! Kids out! Too many kids in! Not enough kids in! Live lessons! Not that many live lessons you lazy bastards!

Now look at those fucking unions, making a bloody mess of things, again.

Exactly this!!
Carlislemumof4 · 08/02/2021 18:57

@Awalkintime

Carlislemumof4

I hope you're cancelling your Keswick cottage then as you speak given you're so passionate about not going on holiday.

Keswick is lovely but I can drive there in 45 odd minutes, I wouldn't need to book a cottage...but won't be visiting there anyway this summer, will be crazy busy.

I grew up in the lakes, I know quiet places to visit at quiet times. The place in the lakes I'd most like to visit is half an hour away, my parents house. Not seen them for a year, they've had first vaccines now but with the mixing and travelling they do and siblings visiting from down south and abroad regularly it's not an easy decision while test and trace and self isolation rules remain in place. I have to prioritise keeping my DCs in school and don't want to be taking that level of risk and length of chain of contacts in. Working class area, school in special measures, lots of families financially struggling, sure some will travel but there won't be many families travelling to the extent mine do.

Me and DH are concerned with affording the mortgage this year, not booking holiday cottages.

Back to summer term dates, it's precisely the fact that cases may be lower that means grabbing that time in school then makes sense. Longer winter hols as circuit breakers.

HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 08/02/2021 19:06

Carlisle I feel for you, I really do. This lockdown has been awful for so many. Extra days of teacher time over the summer won't really help. The best solution is long term better funding and small group intervention in term time and during school hours. This will benefit the students who really need it, and not the ones who attend anyway.

sherrystrull · 08/02/2021 19:09

I understand the need to keep contacts down and reduce the risk to your children being out of school. I'd love to be able to do this.

Sadly teachers have to go into large bubbles which means we've isolated through every holiday from school since the summer.

If we're not isolating and we're allowed to go on holiday I will go. I would expect the children in my class to go away if they can.

I'd also love to see my parents.

yearnewwhatever · 08/02/2021 19:14

I was reading a sky news article about this and it sounds like 2 extra weeks at the end of July are being considered....I'm a bit confused though. Surely they don't think that 2 weeks can compensate for a years worth of disruption? It just seems a bit of a cop out?

WombatChocolate · 08/02/2021 19:17

I agree that the responsibility for what happened in schools lis with government and what happens in the next few years will be on government too, not individual teachers.

The trouble is, the government knows really that isn’t planning to resource what is needed for children. It would need a vast amount more money and resources in terms of qualified staff than they have now or plan to have in the next 5 or 10 years.

But they don’t want to accept that or the blame. So they divert attention and encourage people to blame others so they don’t look at them. Suggest a scheme (they have no intention of finding and hiring the staff for) and then they can say they suggested it, but teachers or unions ruined it ...or they won’t even have to say it, because the public on MN or in other forms of media will say it for them, and the government can just sit quietly and let it happen. He teachers and unions can be remembered as being responsible. They can list in just 1 day 5 possible schemes, from running into the holidays, to longer days in school, to kids re-doing a school year, none of which could run without hiring significantly more staff. But they don’t have the intention to hire more staff nor to really run schemes on any scale ....but people can remember that they mentioned them and decide it wasn’t government who stopped it happening, but those lazy teachers who have already been sitting at home, relying on hardworking g parents to do their job for them, who weren’t willing to make the schemes happen. Government want o keep saying they have plans for everything Covid related..because it’s what people want to hear. When they are exhausted by having their kids at home 24/7 and find working and homeschooling so hard, anything government mentions to take children away for a bit, or to address the concerns they have when they feel their kids aren’t progressing as they might, is of course jumped on and welcomed. But there’s nothing really behind it all to make it happen. The only people parents can really imagine delivering all this stuff are their children’s teachers, because who else is there to imagine. Government knows the current teachers who do a full job won’t be the people delivering these schemes and cannot be. That’s partly why they know their vague and grandiose sounding g plans won’t ever be delivered on a major scale and because any funding and without sufficient staff who aren’t already flat-out and available it’s just not deliverable in a meaningful way. They know this, but rely on the public not spitting that and then deciding it was the teachers or unions who stymied it, not that it was down to government.

Any scheme of governments could be possible if they hire the staff to do the next jobs they are dreaming up. But teachers already have a job and have done their job. If they want actual qualified teachers to deliver stuff, they will have to find a vast supply of them who haven’t already gone above and beyond and have done their jobs. The onus isn’t on existing teachers to deliver extra schemes the government may have. It is on government to plan proper schemes and find the staff. But it won’t really happen.

whittingtonmum · 08/02/2021 19:22

I'd be happy with that to make up for some lost schooling.

Letseatgrandma · 08/02/2021 19:23

@WombatChocolate

I agree that the responsibility for what happened in schools lis with government and what happens in the next few years will be on government too, not individual teachers.

The trouble is, the government knows really that isn’t planning to resource what is needed for children. It would need a vast amount more money and resources in terms of qualified staff than they have now or plan to have in the next 5 or 10 years.

But they don’t want to accept that or the blame. So they divert attention and encourage people to blame others so they don’t look at them. Suggest a scheme (they have no intention of finding and hiring the staff for) and then they can say they suggested it, but teachers or unions ruined it ...or they won’t even have to say it, because the public on MN or in other forms of media will say it for them, and the government can just sit quietly and let it happen. He teachers and unions can be remembered as being responsible. They can list in just 1 day 5 possible schemes, from running into the holidays, to longer days in school, to kids re-doing a school year, none of which could run without hiring significantly more staff. But they don’t have the intention to hire more staff nor to really run schemes on any scale ....but people can remember that they mentioned them and decide it wasn’t government who stopped it happening, but those lazy teachers who have already been sitting at home, relying on hardworking g parents to do their job for them, who weren’t willing to make the schemes happen. Government want o keep saying they have plans for everything Covid related..because it’s what people want to hear. When they are exhausted by having their kids at home 24/7 and find working and homeschooling so hard, anything government mentions to take children away for a bit, or to address the concerns they have when they feel their kids aren’t progressing as they might, is of course jumped on and welcomed. But there’s nothing really behind it all to make it happen. The only people parents can really imagine delivering all this stuff are their children’s teachers, because who else is there to imagine. Government knows the current teachers who do a full job won’t be the people delivering these schemes and cannot be. That’s partly why they know their vague and grandiose sounding g plans won’t ever be delivered on a major scale and because any funding and without sufficient staff who aren’t already flat-out and available it’s just not deliverable in a meaningful way. They know this, but rely on the public not spitting that and then deciding it was the teachers or unions who stymied it, not that it was down to government.

Any scheme of governments could be possible if they hire the staff to do the next jobs they are dreaming up. But teachers already have a job and have done their job. If they want actual qualified teachers to deliver stuff, they will have to find a vast supply of them who haven’t already gone above and beyond and have done their jobs. The onus isn’t on existing teachers to deliver extra schemes the government may have. It is on government to plan proper schemes and find the staff. But it won’t really happen.

This. A thousand times, this.

Nothing like it will ever happen, because the government don’t intend to fund anything properly and they know the unions will (quite rightly) oppose such changes to staff contracts, so will tell the press to blame the unions/teachers.

‘Oh look, we tried to do a wonderful big catch up (without spending a single penny doing so) but the meanie unions stopped us and the lazy teachers don’t like children.’

RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 08/02/2021 19:24

@WombatChocolate Bravo!

DBML · 08/02/2021 19:25

It’s a complete cop-out.

Secondary won’t want to come in.
Year’s 11 and 13 will be gone.
Yr 12 will have done their learning for the year.
Year 10 are unlikely to come in (certainly not in large numbers).
Year 8 and 9 may come in in smallish numbers and will for the most part resent it.
Year 7 might come in in slightly larger numbers, but still won’t be a full cohort, especially if holidays can go ahead.

It will be an absolute waste of time.

The new years 10, 11, 12 and 13 will all lose out on two weeks of revision and coursework next winter, so they can sit at home, locked in their houses doing nothing.

It is just to placate people calling for action. And the pointless burden will be carried by students and staff.

What will they be doing in those two weeks? I’m a teacher and I have no idea. Killing time probably, waiting for the holiday to start. We’ll all be too knackered to care.

Anyone who thinks this is good for children’s well-being, a good use of funds, or that it would make any difference to learning needs their head read.

motherrunner · 08/02/2021 19:26

@WombatChocolate

I agree that the responsibility for what happened in schools lis with government and what happens in the next few years will be on government too, not individual teachers.

The trouble is, the government knows really that isn’t planning to resource what is needed for children. It would need a vast amount more money and resources in terms of qualified staff than they have now or plan to have in the next 5 or 10 years.

But they don’t want to accept that or the blame. So they divert attention and encourage people to blame others so they don’t look at them. Suggest a scheme (they have no intention of finding and hiring the staff for) and then they can say they suggested it, but teachers or unions ruined it ...or they won’t even have to say it, because the public on MN or in other forms of media will say it for them, and the government can just sit quietly and let it happen. He teachers and unions can be remembered as being responsible. They can list in just 1 day 5 possible schemes, from running into the holidays, to longer days in school, to kids re-doing a school year, none of which could run without hiring significantly more staff. But they don’t have the intention to hire more staff nor to really run schemes on any scale ....but people can remember that they mentioned them and decide it wasn’t government who stopped it happening, but those lazy teachers who have already been sitting at home, relying on hardworking g parents to do their job for them, who weren’t willing to make the schemes happen. Government want o keep saying they have plans for everything Covid related..because it’s what people want to hear. When they are exhausted by having their kids at home 24/7 and find working and homeschooling so hard, anything government mentions to take children away for a bit, or to address the concerns they have when they feel their kids aren’t progressing as they might, is of course jumped on and welcomed. But there’s nothing really behind it all to make it happen. The only people parents can really imagine delivering all this stuff are their children’s teachers, because who else is there to imagine. Government knows the current teachers who do a full job won’t be the people delivering these schemes and cannot be. That’s partly why they know their vague and grandiose sounding g plans won’t ever be delivered on a major scale and because any funding and without sufficient staff who aren’t already flat-out and available it’s just not deliverable in a meaningful way. They know this, but rely on the public not spitting that and then deciding it was the teachers or unions who stymied it, not that it was down to government.

Any scheme of governments could be possible if they hire the staff to do the next jobs they are dreaming up. But teachers already have a job and have done their job. If they want actual qualified teachers to deliver stuff, they will have to find a vast supply of them who haven’t already gone above and beyond and have done their jobs. The onus isn’t on existing teachers to deliver extra schemes the government may have. It is on government to plan proper schemes and find the staff. But it won’t really happen.

👏 👏 👏
DBML · 08/02/2021 19:30

@WombatChocolate

Can’t you go for education minister?! Why have we got to have shit when there’s people like you out there.

Common sense.

FrippEnos · 08/02/2021 19:32

GintyMcGinty
Its a good idea.

It really isn't for all the reasons given in the thread.

But they will need to not make it compulsory in the event that holiday bookings can go ahead.

Then posters will want teachers to be in for all 6 weeks so that they can book their holidays and teachers get none.

They are going to need lots of creative thinking to try to support children going forward.

there should be be that involves money and the government has already proved many times during the pandemic that they won't be spending it on your child's education.

I am sure lots of peoples heads are exploding though.

Yup, mainly those that think that this is a good idea.

TheReluctantPhoenix · 08/02/2021 19:33

It is cheeky to believe that teachers, for many of whom the pandemic has been gruelling, can just work another two weeks.

And yet bankers, lawyers, management consultants etc, who have been comfortably working from home, and have been as much use as a chocolate tea pot in these troubled times, should just keep both their holiday and their money.

Maybe some of the above could voluntarily give up two weeks of their summer holiday and see what teaching is like?

FrippEnos · 08/02/2021 19:36

DBML
The new years 10, 11, 12 and 13 will all lose out on two weeks of revision and coursework next winter, so they can sit at home, locked in their houses doing nothing.

What will happen if (and its a massive if) this goes ahead is that the those same posters will campaign for the half terms etc. to go back to normal.
After all its the children's results education that is important.

Then they will campaign for the holidays to stay short as it had such a great impact.

And they will expect the teachers to do all of this for no extra money.

DBML · 08/02/2021 19:37

@TheReluctantPhoenix

Actually, I’d call that a creative idea!

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