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Extending school term at end of July

618 replies

NeverForgetYourDreams · 07/02/2021 16:21

That's not going to work. Another ridiculous idea. What about all those people that moved their cancelled holidays for 2020 by a year. Summer holidays may go ahead if vaccine roll out happens and who is going to cancel and lose their money - I'm not. Will be lots of absent children.

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WombatChocolate · 07/02/2021 21:17

Longer term....never going to happen.

Teachers have been working all year and have contracts specifying days of work.

To those who suggest they should do more, as a I’ve said on the many other similar threads, I and many others work 50+ hour weeks....that’s not just on an occasional basis but regularly. I already work beyond my contracted hours by a significant margin although lots of people’s re sure all teachers have been doing nothing.

It is the governments job to fund and organise the education system so there are enough teachers so that children an be taught properly. The fact individuals need to work 50+ hours show it isn’t funded properly or staffed properly and the many many years of cuts to school budgets are now showing up to those who somehow hadn’t spotted them. It is down to government, not individual teachers to deal with the fallout from Covid.

Teachers do a job and often go above and beyond. It isn’t their role to be individual saviours, giving and sacrificing without limit as some people seem to want individuals to do. Fortunately most of society, when they think about it realise that too.

Government must take hold of gate schooling system and fund teaching and schools so the many years of neglect and underfunding can be addressed and the recruitment and retention crisis dealt with. Of course those won’t be solved by the summer if at all. Until then, the onus is in the government running the system and not the individual teachers who are working hard and go above and beyond on a very regular basis.

DBML · 07/02/2021 21:17

@NotQuiteUsual

Thank you 🙏

ktp100 · 07/02/2021 21:28

No thanks.

My DS is not behind so we won't be railroaded into this.

If they make it mandatory I'll be pissed.

DBML · 07/02/2021 21:30

In my area, the council runs free play-schemes for children, 9-4 Monday to Friday, throughout the summer. I used to volunteer when I was in uni. We used to play games; sports; do competitions and talent shows; paint; carry out arts and crafts etc

Kids brought a packed lunch and were anything from about 7 up to around 12 years old.

That is what is needed. Free to whoever wants to access them.

Trunkysbun · 07/02/2021 21:33

@CureCovid

An alternative is to extend the current school year by a term and start all subsequent school years in January in line with the regular calendar. Gives kids a chance to catch up without altering the length of term of longer days etc.. and we'd finally have a school year and calendar year that tally up! :)

What's good idea 💡

Appuskidu · 07/02/2021 21:33

@DBML

In my area, the council runs free play-schemes for children, 9-4 Monday to Friday, throughout the summer. I used to volunteer when I was in uni. We used to play games; sports; do competitions and talent shows; paint; carry out arts and crafts etc

Kids brought a packed lunch and were anything from about 7 up to around 12 years old.

That is what is needed. Free to whoever wants to access them.

My older teens would love to help run something like that for a couple of weeks over the summer-would be a great way of getting some experience working and to make some money.
MrsBlue4 · 07/02/2021 21:36

Got to laugh at a lot of folk banging on about Covidiots but prioritising a summer holiday Grin

worriedandannoyed · 07/02/2021 21:37

@DBML

In my area, the council runs free play-schemes for children, 9-4 Monday to Friday, throughout the summer. I used to volunteer when I was in uni. We used to play games; sports; do competitions and talent shows; paint; carry out arts and crafts etc

Kids brought a packed lunch and were anything from about 7 up to around 12 years old.

That is what is needed. Free to whoever wants to access them.

This sounds amazing but who is it funded by? I can imagine it would be very popular so would need a lot of staff
lyralalala · 07/02/2021 21:38

Changing the school year to the calendar year would take us out of sync with other countries, which would impact universities and on British students going to uni abroad.

It would also need a change of term for nurseries, all schools, colleges and universities. All of whom would have to deal with staff contracts and the likes. There's no chance that could be organised between now and summer.

HmmSureJan · 07/02/2021 21:38

Home schooling is hard. I remember last year that we had never needed summer holidays more when they finally arrived. We would absolutely hate this and I really hope they don't do it.

Wotapolava · 07/02/2021 21:39

@MrsBlue4

Got to laugh at a lot of folk banging on about Covidiots but prioritising a summer holiday Grin
If things are going back to normal they should go.

If it is safe to go, go.

Stick together people.

CallmeAngelina · 07/02/2021 21:43

Well, it's only Hmm if it is the same people doing the banging on and the championing of holidays.

lyralalala · 07/02/2021 21:44

This sounds amazing but who is it funded by? I can imagine it would be very popular so would need a lot of staff

When you have volunteer staff it makes a huge difference to costs. I bet they utilise a lot of staff who either volunteer or do term time activities, but work full time.

The playscheme I run (which looks like I'll not be able to do for the second year Sad) only costs £10 a week for a half day Mon-Fri because we use volunteer staff (though people judge that at first glance without realising that they are a mix of teaching students, teachers, other staff on career breaks and specialists like a Dad who is a proper football coach who comes in a couple of times a week and a woman who is an artist) and have a genius of a treasurer who can sniff out a funding opportunity at 100 yards.

DBML · 07/02/2021 21:45

@worriedandannoyed

The councils I guess.

Here was the offerings for 2019. Some of the sports camps did have a cost, but most regular playschemes were free:

www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/17800417.children-playschemes-gwent-summer/

pistachioglace · 07/02/2021 21:48

I won't be sending my children into school once the summer holidays start, they can fine me if they like but as one will be 18 and the other is leaving to go to 6th form college I doubt they will get very far.

DBML · 07/02/2021 21:49

Not my council, so slight differences in age range and timings, but you get the picture.

www.playnewport.org.uk/playschemes.html

This is what should be on offer to all children this summer for free or a very low fee. Fun and social.

MagpieSong · 07/02/2021 21:51

@Macaroni46

The thing is you can't 'catch' children up by cramming them. Learning doesn't work like that! Children need time to process what they've learned and to assimilate. Just piling on more and more 'learning' will not achieve anything other than adversely affect their mental health. As a teacher social opportunities and playing together is what I want children to catch-up on. It is what I worry about them missing. All the social interaction. I am also utterly sick of hearing all the angst in the media about children 'catching' up. Catching up with what exactly? Arbitrary adult conceived 'targets'! As for working extra weeks in the summer. No. Just no!
Said so well. All these ideas ignore why the school day isn’t longer already and why children often repeat what they’ve learnt later. If days or the term were extended, it’s highly unlikely children would learn much more, especially those who most need it. It also discounts a lot of the effort they’ve made to learn. Yes, you could do an optional ‘summer school’ for those who’ve not been able to learn much at all outside of the classroom environment, but you’d have to find teachers with no summer commitments or outside lives they want to lead. I’m not keen on that, they’ve worked throughout the pandemic already, most of them putting in huge effort both on and offline with higher concerns around safeguarding children. They must be knackered! Also even in that idealistic summer school situation, you wouldn’t want too much uptake, as theoretically targeted teaching of very small groups would be actually helpful for those who haven’t managed to engage at all. Otherwise, it’s too broad.

Also, children tend to catch up naturally. You can often see that in children who’ve had to miss school for one reason or another. I’m not sure why the summer is being totally discounted as a learning experience in itself. Obviously, it’s not the case for all children, but for many it’s a chance to get out and learn about nature, sport, nurture friendships outside the classroom, visit historical sites, perhaps go on a summer camp etc. All those things teach children too. (Yes, I know there’s likely to be less of it this year, but hopefully outside activities will at the very least be able to be done.) None of the ideas the government leaks to the media have yet really targeted those who need them, but of course, the government don’t really care about that - they just shove a wilted half carrot at them for ‘lunch’ and blame parents/teachers/anyone else who might be available.

lyralalala · 07/02/2021 21:51

Playschemes are massively underrated activities.

Also the fact that expensive childcare set ups can brand their holiday provision (for which they charge parents a fortune!) as a playscheme and access the same funding pots as smaller playscheme actively hampers smaller/lower cost provisions.

LindaCartersBun · 07/02/2021 21:52

Cheap or free holiday clubs for all age groups? Yes please.

More school? Definitely not. My children need fresh air and fun. And working in education, I need a bloody holiday!

JackieWeaverputmeinthewaitingr · 07/02/2021 21:56

@HarrietSchulenberg

Schools have moved all learning online so education is still happening. Teaching contracts do not cover holidays so it would have to be staffed by teachers agreeing to additional hours, which many would not do. Ditto school support staff (TAs etc), caretakers etc. I work in a school and will not be working additional weeks unless I am forced to, at which point I would consider resigning. My children will not be attending for additional days or weeks.
We are kidding ourselves on if we thing education is still happening!
Hope4theBestPlan4theWorst · 07/02/2021 21:56

I wish they'd make their minds up - we've planned work shifts and days off/annual leave specifically round the holidays

We are booked To go away in the uk the first week of the holidays and then the last week - not abroad so really hoping we can go.

Furthermore it's totally unfair on the teachers - they have families too

RedToothBrush · 07/02/2021 21:57

God they really are desparate aren't they?

They have no idea how to do school catch up on the cheap. So keep floating ideas which are shit and refuse to accept you can't do it on the cheap

It needs proper funding of additional trained staff in school hours.

Not volunteers. Not teachers doing extra weeks. Not longer school days. Not stupid summer school ideas.

MONEY AND RESOURCES. Actual money and resources. Not budgetary slight of hand. Not 20p extra per child.

lyralalala · 07/02/2021 22:01

The plus side for the government with this idea floating is that they can now say "well we had a plan, but the big bad teachers wouldn't play ball" and deflect attention from their crapness again.

Hopefully people will see through it for what it is.

DBML · 07/02/2021 22:03

Yep, if I was education secretary I would put in place:

  • Smaller class sizes (cap at 24)
  • Additional staff, teachers and TA’s
  • Opportunities for ALN learners
  • Money for resources; experiments; trips; books etc

Then for the holidays have council run playschemes that focus on fun and exercise and have nothing to do with school staff.

MrsHamlet · 07/02/2021 22:05

We are kidding ourselves on if we thing education is still happening!
Because?

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