Poll on compulsory covid vaccination in 2021-2023

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I don't know what real policy will be, I just wondered about gauging the range of views of readers on this board (chance for lurkers to reply). I will summarise replies if more than 20. Which of the below policies is closest to your own preference, about what the covid vaccination policy should be, for UK adults in 2021-2023?

1. Optional for everyone, not required by any employer or for customers of a business to show evidence or "reasonable excuse" not to have had it

2. Not compulsory for all, but health and social care employers can legally require the jab for staff who work with any clinically vulnerable; refusal would be permitted grounds for dismissal if jab not medically contra-indicated

3. Not compulsory for all, but any employers allowed to require the jab for staff (refusal would be permitted grounds for dismissal); businesses allowed to require jab among customers, thus no jab = legally refuse service

4. Compulsory for all adults without medical contra-indications

@Marmalade3

As others have said, we already have 2 and 3 as some professions eg medical doctors require certain vaccines as does travel to some countries, so yes to 2 and 3 to keep us safe and allow our lives to return to normal if 1 is not enough. If 1-3 is not enough due to threat of mutations etc, and it was a choice between a small minority being required by law to have a vaccine or the majority of us being forbidden in law from enjoying a cup of tea with our parents/children in their homes for any longer than is necessary, I'm afraid I would choose the latter. Forced vaccinations would be grim but then so too is potentially being physically removed from your parents/child's house by police for simply being in their house to spend some time with them. A reality unthinkable just a year ago. Both compromise autonomy over our own bodies. Hopefully it won't come to that though!🤞🤞🤞

Totally agree

I kind of think anyone shielding or at risk should be made to get it or at least have to live in a free society.

I'd be seriously pissed if after all the shit we've had for a year and the effect its had on everyone, if shielders and the at risk refuse a vaccine

we are doing this to protect them and they refuse the preventative?!

Unforgivably selfish

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1. Can't wait to get the jab but you fuck it all up if you force it.

Definitely 1 for me

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Still yet to see anyone say how they would enforce 4.

@AgnesNaismith

A vaccine is hardly ‘medical intervention’

You talk about it like it’s a life altering operation.

When the ‘greater good’ means no one dies from an illness I’m fine with that.

You have 2 kidneys. Are you a live donor, for the greater good and all.....

Would you be ok with forced blood donation?

@Pastanred

2.

I kind of think anyone shielding or at risk should be made to get it or at least have to live in a free society.

I'd be seriously pissed if after all the shit we've had for a year and the effect its had on everyone, if shielders and the at risk refuse a vaccine

we are doing this to protect them and they refuse the preventative?!

Unforgivably selfish

What?! People shielding didn't ask for lockdown! And many have conditions that also might prove to be risky if they take the vaccine - of course any shielders should be free to choose whether they have the vaccine or not - without pressure.

The propaganda has been unforgivably decisive and made people deluded at times. Stop falling for the trap of caring what other people are wearing, putting into their bodies or who people are mixing with. Concentrate on your own body, life and soul.

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On how 3 could work I remember reading something a while ago that suggested that the NHS app could be loaded with details that you have had the vaccination or are exempt. As you have to scan that already to get into restaurants, bars etc for track and trace then it could also be used to show you are ok to be admitted. This would then work for those exempt without giving away medical information

I remember thinking that could work but still has issues e.g. what if you don’t have a smartphone like a lot of my elderly relatives. Plus it was obvious that the writer of the article has obviously watched Contagion on Netflix

we are doing this to protect them and they refuse the preventative?!

You are delusional if you think that the government has implemented lockdown to save the vulnerable. They don’t give a shit about vulnerable people.

Option 4 will most likely happen through stealth. When I had the vaccine the lady doing it jokingly said "you can get on a plane now" I think no carrier will take anyone that hasn't been vaccinated in future. Their insurers would see the unvaccinated as a huge risk.
With work HR can easily give anyone even now 90 days notice to change of contact. If you don't sign new contract that might require you to have the vaccine then you have effectively put yourself out of work.
Anything that has professional registration where you meet members of the public as part of your work may require the vaccine to stay registered to practice.
The list goes on, it will obvs be your right to choose not to have the vaccine but life may become very bleak without it.

To young to be offered it yet. I have multiple health problems. I will have it when I am offered it. But I would say 1, because it will become a yearly booster like the flu jab. It will probably be mixed with the flu jab injection eventually . I dont have the flu jab.

1 pro choice for sure

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3 - although I think that there should need to be an objective reason for an employer/service-provider to refuse employment/services to someone who hasn't had the jab, and there should be consideration did those who are advised to not take the jab for medical reasons.

Just to add, 2 for me because if you're working in a health and social care setting with clinically vulnerable people, it's reasonable that there should be an expectation that you take sensible steps to protect your patients. Unless medically contraindicated, vaccinations are part of that and this is already the case in some areas. If there's no medical reason not to, but you still won't vaccinate, then I don't think you're in the right job. Lack of critical thinking and putting patients at risk are not good qualities in the healthcare / medical sector, surely?

Like all choices - there are consequences. This doesn't take away bodily autonomy.

I have the bodily autonomy to get pissed at work, I just can't expect to have a job afterwards.

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This thread

When the ‘greater good’ means no one dies from an illness I’m fine with that
Seeing as some people would like 4, then how about we force women, who have syphilis, to wear condoms and be sterilised.
I mean, a pregnant woman with syphilis can pass that to her unborn innocent child. These babies can be stillborn, or, they can be born with health problems and then die.

But then, adults can also die of STIs. I guess we all better stop having sex then, or wear full body condoms. Don't want to be passing STIs around to innocent people.
I mean, it's for the greater good right?

Initially thought option 1. Read through all the replies and still a firm 1 from me. If anything, some of the 'anti-choicers' have just reinforced my view.

Would you support a change in law so that no jobs require mandatory vaccines? There are jobs that require them right now.

@CarlottaValdez

Would you support a change in law so that no jobs require mandatory vaccines? There are jobs that require them right now.

Yes, on the basis that I think that a vaccine is an option to protect the employee so it should be the choice of the employee.

As a customer or client, I can't imagine asking whether the person caring for me, providing a service or selling something to me etc has a vaccination against a, b or c. As a customer or client, if I was concerned, then the onus would be on me to ask for reassurance from the company - or have the vaccine myself of course. Knowing how to avoid cross-contamination and mitigate against risks are also still vital in reducing infections and illness along with good hygiene etc.