Longer school days to make up for lost learning

[StitchInLime]

Source: Various newspapers, give it a Google (admittedly with a right wing lean)

Apparently one of the options being considered, nothing set in stone of course but for the purposes of discussion...

AIBU to feel both joy and sadness at the prospect of this (joy for me so I can claw back work hours, joy for children so they can claw back some school time but sadness for my teacher friends and all teachers who will need to add more hours to already heavy workload).

[quote valentinescmalentine]@ElliFAntspoo

People may disagree with you, does not make them ignorant.

School staff are in paid employment to provide education.

Parents ensure dc access that or provide an alternative for their dc.

Please stop this sad attempt at parent bashing.[/quote]
No. Teachers are there to provide a basic level of education as laid out in the curriculum set out by the Government, and in line with the contracts they signed.

They have no obligation to you to provide you with anything. They have a contractual obligation to fulfil a contract between themselves an an employer.

You however have a parental responsibility that you made with your child and your spouse and your God, to feed, protect and educate your child. You cannot break that obligation, or discharge yourself from it, or give it to someone else just because you pay taxes.

@valentinescmalentine

Yet another thread where some school staff bash parents and round up the troops 😁

Bingo indeed !!!

This is funnier by the minute. Have you even read the thread 🤣🤣🤣

We get to choose what building blocks we will give our children to build their futures upon. You have no right to expect anything from others, and are notentitledto anything.
Oh, as a parent I TOTALLY agree. But, you see, the problem is that you cannot sit on two chairs at the same time - would you be in favour of reimbursing ~£10K (two children, primary in London) from my taxes back to me so that I could buy in quality educational provision? Which, I can assure you, will be tiers above what is offered in English schools, where every letter from school has a couple of grammar mistakes which annoy even me, a non-fluent non-native speaker.

Another crazy and pointless idea.

Pupils will probably have missed at most 5% of their entire school curriculum.

The exams will be amended so that you need to know a bit less and it will make absolutely no difference to anyone in the long term.

I am sure paring syllabi by 5% is a lot more sensible than overstressing both pupils and teachers.

@valentinescmalentine

Yet another thread where some school staff bash parents and round up the troops 😁

Bingo indeed !!!

Yet another thread full of parents justifying why they refuse to take responsibility for their own children's educational needs. Poor kids.

@ElliFAntspoo

Your posts are actually parent bashing, please stop, you don’t actually know me at all.

Maybe the twats4themselves peoples army could do it for free?

They wouldn't be allowed anywhere near my children..maybe they could empty the bins and clean the toilets if they could manage to do it to the required standards of course.

I mean literally loads of posts from parents saying they agree with what the teachers are saying.

With a couple of odd parents looking forward a bit of free childcare because it would make their life easier (which I do understand).

So yet again either you are just purposefully lying to wind people up or.... or.... nope got nothing else.

@listerclocks

Maybe the twats4themselves peoples army could do it for free?

They wouldn't be allowed anywhere near my children..maybe they could empty the bins and clean the toilets if they could manage to do it to the required standards of course.

and yet more parent bashing.

Terrible idea.

My children are done at the end of the school day, literally tired and in need of some chill out time before a bit of homework in a relaxed environment at home.

Teachers are exhausted so couldn't possibly be expected to run this and my children can't just be put in front of strangers and told to 'learn'. Their primary school nurtures them and has built relationships with them. That would be missing.

One of my sons is slightly traumatised by the last year, he would see this as punishment!

@forinborin,

Fantasy.

Kids will have learned from home for 1/2 of the year and, at even 50% effectiveness, your two children will have missed a net half year.

Which, at state school pupil provision, would yield you £2,500, not £5,000. And you can consider that £2,500 your personal contribution to fighting a pandemic.

@MrsHerculePoirot

I mean literally loads of posts from parents saying they agree with what the teachers are saying.

With a couple of odd parents looking forward a bit of free childcare because it would make their life easier (which I do understand).

So yet again either you are just purposefully lying to wind people up or.... or.... nope got nothing else.

Just pointing out that some parents are allowed to be concerned, what is wrong with that?

@forinborin

We get to choose what building blocks we will give our children to build their futures upon. You have no right to expect anything from others, and are notentitledto anything. Oh, as a parent I TOTALLY agree. But, you see, the problem is that you cannot sit on two chairs at the same time - would you be in favour of reimbursing ~£10K (two children, primary in London) from my taxes back to me so that I could buy in quality educational provision? Which, I can assure you, will be tiers above what is offered in English schools, where every letter from school has a couple of grammar mistakes which annoy even me, a non-fluent non-native speaker.

No. I am sure that there are plenty of single parents out there who can explain to you exactly how to educate children and hold down a FT job and the same time. But then unlike myself, and yourself, they are probably managing their time better and prioritising work and educating their children. It is a matter of what your priorities are in life.

Any sign of that graph yet? Or any evidence of me saying "school staff are working harder and more at risk than anyone else"?

@forinborin

As a teacher my children are already in wraparound from 7.30-5pm and that’s with a 9-3.30 teaching day. But this is normal, even on the light side for a working parent, no? Mine were in childcare/school 7 to 7 before the pandemic, and I am not a teacher.

I bet when you lift your child it is the end of your working day though. A teacher will most likely have at least two hours to do in the evening as well.

They haven't missed being taught, and they haven't missed being assessed (we are marking 100's of assignments, same as usual!) Not at my uni anyway.
You are talking about adults at a university, right? Can you not see that it's a bit different for school aged children, and especially for younger ones? Looking at the discussion by harassed work-at-home parents on here, it's clear that a LOT of parents have semi given up or completely given up on the homeschooling, or their kids are engaging in only fits and starts. Many kids are going to be absolutely fine, but can we please be honest about the fact that a lot of kids are going to be shockingly behind?

Except you’re NOT doing that. I already said I understood some parents concerns.

You are repeatedly saying posters are parent bashing.

Talking about twats4themselves, who we know aren’t a grassroots parents group,as per the other thread you were on being goady isn’t parent bashing 🤣

Honestly it’s so ridiculous it’s making me laugh this morning.

@valentinescmalentine that post really wasn't "parental bashing", unless you think that criticising the actions of one (proportionately tiny) online "parents" group is the same as criticising all parents.
And they really do deserve any criticism that is sent their way, they have caused a shedload of damage in the past year.

@chocolateisavegetable

Any sign of that graph yet? Or any evidence of me saying "school staff are working harder and more at risk than anyone else"?

It was a general point, you seem to be taking it personally.

Where is your graph?

I don’t know anywhere around here that offers childcare 7-7. I don’t judge anyone on the amount of childcare they use, we all do what we need to do the ensure our children have the best up bringing they can, but I expect people to extend that curtesy to me, and I do not wish my child to be in childcare longer than 8- 5. I believe that being at work that long and then a couple did hours in the evening is a perfectly acceptable amount of hours to work if not let’s be honest, too many, works out 55-60 of if include working Sunday, let’s be honest that’s not a healthy amount as it is.

@MrsHerculePoirot

Except you’re NOT doing that. I already said I understood some parents concerns.

You are repeatedly saying posters are parent bashing.

Talking about twats4themselves, who we know aren’t a grassroots parents group,as per the other thread you were on being goady isn’t parent bashing 🤣

Honestly it’s so ridiculous it’s making me laugh this morning.

So parents are only allowed concerns that you have approved?

I was in a thread this day last week with someone with the EXACT same teacher bashing rhetoric as @valentinescmalentine If that is the same person the a) their script hasn't changed and b)they also has minimal support in that thread too.

@TheReluctantPhoenix
I was answering to the post where a PP pontificated about the children's education being solely the responsibility of parents, with teachers being responsible... for what exactly, I am not sure I got that bit from their post. And I actually agreed with her. I personally see close to zero utility from the English state schooling system, outside the "free" childcare and socialisation - but at the tax rate they effectively charge, it is still quite expensive as childcare goes. Maybe it changes at the secondary level, I have limited visibility about that.

My personal contribution "to fighting a pandemic" is significantly in excess of £2500, please don't let that bother you too much.

[quote valentinescmalentine]@ElliFAntspoo

Your posts are actually parent bashing, please stop, you don’t actually know me at all.[/quote]
I am not bashing all parents.
I was specifically addressing posts bashing teachers (I am not one BTW and neither is my spouse), and addressing my posts to parents who ignore their responsibilities in educating their children and use the excuse that they expect teachers to pick up the slack.

You made a generalised post. I responded with a generalised post. If you choose to take that personally I cannot help that, but it is only intended for parents who identify with it, and the post is clear.

And I have been clear. The responsibility to educate children is the parents responsibility. We do not abdicate our responsibility as adults in society, as parents or children, by paying our taxes and taking aprt in a democratic social structure.

I sent you a graph @valentinescmalentine, don't like the look of it?