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This clap for Captain Tom idea

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User133847 · 02/02/2021 20:44

I've just seen a lot on social media about this clap for Tom on Thursday at 8, similar to the clap for the NHS.

I'm a bit ambivalent about this. The one organised the other week was a damp squib and nobody got involved. The weather is still dark and cold (it wasn't in the summer when the pots and pans were out for the NHS). However, for a nation in mourning at Tom's passing, perhaps this could help really bring the country together on Thursday.

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WalrusWife · 04/02/2021 20:49

I see that Clap for Carers / Heroes has not been resurrected! Grin

queenseraphina · 04/02/2021 20:53

Didn’t clap, think it’s mawkish and weird BUT clapping last year when the NHS staff didn’t have adequate PPE and when we were explaining to the kids what public service was all about was different. Also it was during a proper lockdown so it was a wonderful community moment punctuating an otherwise isolated time.

Port1aCastis · 04/02/2021 20:54

Perhaps the PR daughter could generate some dignity and give her Father a decent funeral without informing twitter et al

derxa · 04/02/2021 22:15

@Port1aCastis

Perhaps the PR daughter could generate some dignity and give her Father a decent funeral without informing twitter et al
It's none of your business. The family can do what they like.
Emel1800 · 04/02/2021 23:59

Isn’t it? Then why did they insist on so much publicity?

Arobase · 05/02/2021 00:04

It's none of your business. The family can do what they like.

If they aim for lots of publicity, they will be making it the business of all of us, won't they?

Catscatsandmorecats · 05/02/2021 05:05

"He boosted a nation's morale at a time when it desperately needed boosting. He tried to do good, bring positivity out of a dreadful situation, and I've no doubt he was a decent man.

He was also recognised for his act of altruism, lauded in the press, respected and valued by the public, and knighted for his efforts. All while he was alive and still able to appreciate the sentiment. As of today, he's not. What earthly good will a round of applause do him now? He won't know.

I agree with the point made by a PP about charity fundraising plugging the gap left in a public service which should have been adequately funded in the first place. Given the law of unintended consequences I hope this hasn't set a precedent.

The points being made about his holiday are unbelievably petty. Good decision: it was his last, as it turned out. And at his age that's always a factor to take into consideration. I say good for him.

Respect to him, he became a face of hope in a dark time and did something good for other people. The 'forced clapping' thing though is far too reminiscent of dictatorships for my liking. There's enough of that sort of thing stealing into society right now, without voluntarily adding to it. I didn't do the 'mandatory' neighbourhood demonstration for the NHS, and won't be doing so now."

This ^ Boris telling us we must all come together and clap (for whatever reason) following the government's handling of covid is insidious. The original NHS clapping that came from public support and did boost morale for many was very different, but it ran its course.

So many of us have lost loved ones, so many lives have been lost or dramatically changed in the last year. As a mark of respect I will use my vote, I will sign petitions, I will lend support to good causes. But I will not be called disrespectful for not following a directive from the government to clap.

4everhopeful · 05/02/2021 05:33

@coasterfan @trumplosttheelection my condolences to you both.. You are exactly the people I thought of when this bizarre outpouring of grief happened for someone no one personally knew. How incredibly offensive to families in the depths of their own very real grief this is. Every life lost matters.

As pp said I feel for grieving families all round the world. My heart aches at the hundreds of thousands who spent their final weeks and days terrified and alone in hospital with no family allowed.

No offence to Captain Tom, but it was actually the people who donated the vast amounts that raised the money, of the cause that for some reason everyone jumped on as we were all bored shitless in lockdown and knew the disgustingly underfunded NHS could do with a cash injection.

Again, I feel bad for the hundreds of thousands of others that work tirelessly to raise money for charity with no acknowledgement at all.

4everhopeful · 05/02/2021 05:47

And I will also say how much I feel for the hundreds of thousands of our countries war veterans, that are isolated and alone this last year, not allowed to see their families, in the final years of their lives? Been wondering how all this makes every soldier that fought and survived WW2 'for our country' feel as they sit alone, isolated and forgotten about by society?

Ash2956 · 05/02/2021 08:44

What a ridiculous idea. It’s just a joke to keep the uneducated masses happy. Standing on your doorstep clapping? Do you have any idea how stupid you look?

TableFlowerss · 05/02/2021 09:20

@4everhopeful

And I will also say how much I feel for the hundreds of thousands of our countries war veterans, that are isolated and alone this last year, not allowed to see their families, in the final years of their lives? Been wondering how all this makes every soldier that fought and survived WW2 'for our country' feel as they sit alone, isolated and forgotten about by society?
This is a really good point.

To think also there has been stories of some veterans who are homeless and just left to get on with it. That’s so so sad

Usernamerequired · 05/02/2021 17:00

Sad to see so many people cashing in by selling items on Facebook, Ebay and Amazon. Knitted dolls, posters, pencil cases, thimbles, cups and even duvet sets. The prices have hiked even further now he has passed away.

Tiktokersmiracle · 05/02/2021 17:27

@Port1aCastis

Perhaps the PR daughter could generate some dignity and give her Father a decent funeral without informing twitter et al
I don't think she will though, they all have the stench of the fame hungry about them. The way she came out and said her dad was in extreme pain doing the walk as if how dare people comment it was all OTT now, well that just made me feel like any sort of person would've told him to stop. He had achieved the amount he wanted then some, no one would've minded if he had of said, actually, I'm in a lot of pain now. But nope.
Goodbye2020Helllo2021 · 05/02/2021 18:11

@Usernamerequired

Sad to see so many people cashing in by selling items on Facebook, Ebay and Amazon. Knitted dolls, posters, pencil cases, thimbles, cups and even duvet sets. The prices have hiked even further now he has passed away.
Some people are grim.
XenoBitch · 05/02/2021 18:13

@Usernamerequired

Sad to see so many people cashing in by selling items on Facebook, Ebay and Amazon. Knitted dolls, posters, pencil cases, thimbles, cups and even duvet sets. The prices have hiked even further now he has passed away.
I would honestly be questioning the mindset of someone who wants a Captain Tom duvet set. Can't see it doing anything positive for your sex life!
Bouledeneige · 05/02/2021 18:31

My Dad who grew up during the war and is 91 thought all the fuss was completely ridiculous.

Who on earth would be buying memorabilia? Bizarre.

Did anyone go out and actually clap? I was busy doing shopping for my Dad and visiting him but I didn't hear about anyone doing it. Certainly no one I knew did.

manchestermyself · 08/02/2021 07:04

Whether you agree or disagree with the clapping gesture last week is irrelevant, what I want to know is how come cleric Jarel Robinson-Brown is still in a job (and still has his book publishing deal in place*), I bet if I'd been so crass on Twitter I'd have a P45 to show for it. Robinson-Brown wrote: “The cult of Captain Tom is a cult of White British Nationalism.”

See:

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/07/church-aided-the-pile-on-of-curates-captain-tom-tweet?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

P.S. Please don't tell me he made an unreserved apology and deleted the offending remark, it shouldn't have been tweeted in the first place.

*I wonder if the title of his impending book could account for it.
www.amazon.co.uk/Black-Gay-British-Christian-Queer/dp/0334060486/ref=zg_bsnr_277365_1?psc=1&_encoding=UTF8&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&refRID=JWTYZT4S5SFH1TG1N9HZ

BoredBeforelEvenBegan · 08/02/2021 09:40

@manchestermyself

Whether you agree or disagree with the clapping gesture last week is irrelevant, what I want to know is how come cleric Jarel Robinson-Brown is still in a job (and still has his book publishing deal in place*), I bet if I'd been so crass on Twitter I'd have a P45 to show for it. Robinson-Brown wrote: “The cult of Captain Tom is a cult of White British Nationalism.”

See:

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/07/church-aided-the-pile-on-of-curates-captain-tom-tweet?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

P.S. Please don't tell me he made an unreserved apology and deleted the offending remark, it shouldn't have been tweeted in the first place.

*I wonder if the title of his impending book could account for it.
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There's already a thread on this.
BoredBeforelEvenBegan · 08/02/2021 09:44

And incidentally, the 'cult of white British nationalism' thing has an element of truth imo. You only have to look at the accounts of nationalist/far right social media accounts over the past week to see it in action.

And also let's not forget that I was called 'unpatriotic' for not clapping 😂

Tiktokersmiracle · 08/02/2021 12:18

@manchestermyself

Whether you agree or disagree with the clapping gesture last week is irrelevant, what I want to know is how come cleric Jarel Robinson-Brown is still in a job (and still has his book publishing deal in place*), I bet if I'd been so crass on Twitter I'd have a P45 to show for it. Robinson-Brown wrote: “The cult of Captain Tom is a cult of White British Nationalism.”

See:

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/07/church-aided-the-pile-on-of-curates-captain-tom-tweet?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

P.S. Please don't tell me he made an unreserved apology and deleted the offending remark, it shouldn't have been tweeted in the first place.

*I wonder if the title of his impending book could account for it.
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Whether you agree or not is irrelevant. He is just as entitled to his opinion as anyone else.

And the backlash he got proved his point. Some of the disgraceful racist slurs chucked at him made me ashamed to be White British.

There is an attitude in some circles that people's right to free speech must be enforced unless it contradicts someone else, or, of it points out how shitty some areas of British culture is towards our BAME community, or past history.

I hate the idea of us becoming as reverent towards all things UK as the US are, all that chanting of "USA! USA!" is crass but it seems some would love the same here.

ddl1 · 08/02/2021 12:28

Whether you agree or disagree with the clapping gesture last week is irrelevant, what I want to know is how come cleric Jarel Robinson-Brown is still in a job (and still has his book publishing deal in place), I bet if I'd been so crass on Twitter I'd have a P45 to show for it. Robinson-Brown wrote: “The cult of Captain Tom is a cult of White British Nationalism.”

See:

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/07/church-aided-the-pile-on-of-curates-captain-tom-tweet?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

P.S. Please don't tell me he made an unreserved apology and deleted the offending remark, it shouldn't have been tweeted in the first place.*

i agree that it was a stupid thing to say, and in very bad taste just after Sir Tom had died. But people say stupid and tasteless and plain nasty things on Twitter all the time. Should they all lose their jobs and their opportunities to publish? In other words, do you believe in 'cancel culture' for everyone, or only for those with whom you disagree?

Nanny0gg · 08/02/2021 12:42

@ddl1

Whether you agree or disagree with the clapping gesture last week is irrelevant, what I want to know is how come cleric Jarel Robinson-Brown is still in a job (and still has his book publishing deal in place), I bet if I'd been so crass on Twitter I'd have a P45 to show for it. Robinson-Brown wrote: “The cult of Captain Tom is a cult of White British Nationalism.”

See:

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/07/church-aided-the-pile-on-of-curates-captain-tom-tweet?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

P.S. Please don't tell me he made an unreserved apology and deleted the offending remark, it shouldn't have been tweeted in the first place.*

i agree that it was a stupid thing to say, and in very bad taste just after Sir Tom had died. But people say stupid and tasteless and plain nasty things on Twitter all the time. Should they all lose their jobs and their opportunities to publish? In other words, do you believe in 'cancel culture' for everyone, or only for those with whom you disagree?

I may be naïve, but I don't expect such stupid/nasty/tasteless remarks from a church minister.
WillowintheUK · 08/02/2021 13:06

The next time I’m clapping in the open air it had better be in a field in the sunshine with a bloody good rock concert going on.

ddl1 · 08/02/2021 14:51

I may be naïve, but I don't expect such stupid/nasty/tasteless remarks from a church minister.

There have been plenty of church ministers who have said much worse things. This is an example, concerning my former MP:
www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2010/05/evan-harris-secularism-pitcher

This was even worse because Harris had cared for his terminally ill partner and had to see her early death.

(This is not intended to start an argument about Evan Harris himself, the Liberal Democrats, the assisted dying debate, or the merits of secularism versus religion. Just to show that some clergymen can be very nasty, and it's not restricted to right-wing American televangelists.)

To give a rather more extreme example, look up Stephen Sizer and his vile comments about Jews. He eventually resigned his Ministry after
the church temporarily banned him from social media; but it took quite a few years, and repeated, not single, offences , before this happened.

I'm not anti-clergy at all; just saying that they should not be expected to be perfect, and that plenty of them have said far worse things than this man.

BoredBeforelEvenBegan · 08/02/2021 15:06

@WillowintheUK

The next time I’m clapping in the open air it had better be in a field in the sunshine with a bloody good rock concert going on.
What is this 'rock concert' you speak of? It sounds vaguely familiar, like a myth lost in the mists of time...?