The EU's Von Der Leyen now trying to blame the UK failing on "vaccine safety" to excuse their failings

[Rosehip10]

Von Der Leyen needs to take some ownership and responsibility for this - sick of her accusing the UK when the issues for Europe are shit EU procument and slow EMA vaccine approval

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/02/ursula-von-der-leyen-accuses-uk-of-compromising-on-vaccine-safety

10million done, another 40 million to go 😊

I’m momentarily relieved we left the EU. I mean, the majority is awful but on this, thank god.

Interestingly, those shouting about not taking the vaccine tend to be the same ones shouting about leaving the EU. They seem to go hand in hand from what I’ve seen. So I don’t worry this will do any damage. If anything, it’ll give them reason to gloat why Brexit was a great idea & may even encourage them to have it 😂

I think for the UK it will bring us together, we will all be waving the Union Jack while going for our jabs 😊

The EU really have proven themselves to be incompetent and totally clueless. As have the MN ‘give me one fucking good reason why we should leave the EU’ brigade!

Voted Remain but pretty glad we’re no longer a member at the moment. What a total shit show, lashing out to cover their own failings. Pathetic.

@Baileysforchristmas

10million done, another 40 million to go 😊

you've forgotten the second doses, haven't you? More like 0.5 million fully vaccinated, 9.5 million partially vaccinated and another 90 million doses to go.

It's still better than EU countries and we've definitely done better in organising vaccine acquisition, but we're taking a riskier roll out strategy and hoping the gamble pays off. It might well do, but there's a couple of hurdles yet to clear.

I do not believe the successful vaccine roll out is anything to do with Brexit.
The EU regulator has said the vaccine is fully approved, yet nation state regulators have said not for over 65's.

We were basically in the EU when all the decisions were made in anycase.

As for bring us together? the disaster that is brexit will be with us for many more years.
When our own Govt says relocate to europe to avoid export issues and 65% of lorries return empty, you know this isn't short term issues.

The vaccine roll out across the eu will be sorted out within weeks, we'd better hope so.

VDL is an idiot.

you've forgotten the second doses, haven't you? More like 0.5 million fully vaccinated, 9.5 million partially vaccinated and another 90 million doses to go.

It's still better than EU countries and we've definitely done better in organising vaccine acquisition, but we're taking a riskier roll out strategy and hoping the gamble pays off. It might well do, but there's a couple of hurdles yet to clear.

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay You’ve clearly missed today’s news, haven’t you?

We were basically in the EU when all the decisions were made in anycase.

Hahaha - do you have any idea how silly you sound?

When our own Govt says relocate to europe to avoid export issues and 65% of lorries return empty, you know this isn't short term issues.

Except they never said that ,I read the whole piece and not the headline and its not unusual for companies to have offices in places if they heavily export somewhere though.
Whilst brexit will bring challenges in the short term , its almost impossible to predict the long term.
We trade with rest of the world and paperwork isn't that much apart from some exceptions , its just we are used to completing the paperwork and have system set up and seems not to be case with eu.
I will be keeping closer eye in 6 months , see how things are going then before I make a judgement as always expected issues for the first few months.

Think we also need to look at sometimes manufacturing / producing more at home as well , we have seen how relying to heavily on one area can cause potential issues.

For those worrying about the 12 week gap, here is a quote from the AZ CEO:

I think the UK one-dose strategy is absolutely the right way to go, at least for our vaccine. I cannot comment about the Pfizer vaccine, whose studies are for a three-week interval. In our case, the trial we're talking about was conducted by Oxford University. We AZ are conducting the US trial, which we think is going to be ready very soon. Oxford University conducted the so-called Oxford trial in UK and Brazil, and we have data for patients who received the vaccine in one-month interval, 2 or 3 months interval. First of all, we believe that the efficacy of one dose is sufficient: 100 percent protection against severe disease and hospitalisation, and 71-73 percent of efficacy overall. The second dose is needed for long term protection. But you get a better efficiency if you get the 2nd dose later than earlier.

And how long will the over 65’s in Europe have to wait to be vaccinated? We will hopefully have vaccinated all over 65’s by the end of this month.

@Horizons83

For those worrying about the 12 week gap, here is a quote from the AZ CEO:

I think the UK one-dose strategy is absolutely the right way to go, at least for our vaccine. I cannot comment about the Pfizer vaccine, whose studies are for a three-week interval. In our case, the trial we're talking about was conducted by Oxford University. We AZ are conducting the US trial, which we think is going to be ready very soon. Oxford University conducted the so-called Oxford trial in UK and Brazil, and we have data for patients who received the vaccine in one-month interval, 2 or 3 months interval. First of all, we believe that the efficacy of one dose is sufficient: 100 percent protection against severe disease and hospitalisation, and 71-73 percent of efficacy overall. The second dose is needed for long term protection. But you get a better efficiency if you get the 2nd dose later than earlier.

Might the fact they trialled in Brazil a good thing but depends if was original strain or new Brazilian stain. I guess any level protection is better than none. Like scientist say they can do boosters.

Have eu released stats how many each age group in each member state they have vaccinated so far?

She is brazen isn't she? I thought she'd slink into the background in embarrassment, after last week, but no, she goes again!

@Dongdingdong

you've forgotten the second doses, haven't you? More like 0.5 million fully vaccinated, 9.5 million partially vaccinated and another 90 million doses to go.

It's still better than EU countries and we've definitely done better in organising vaccine acquisition, but we're taking a riskier roll out strategy and hoping the gamble pays off. It might well do, but there's a couple of hurdles yet to clear.

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay You’ve clearly missed today’s news, haven’t you?

I don't think so, if you are talking about the 76% thing. Again, there's some big confidence intervals in that data. And that's only the symptomatic cases. It's 16% in asymptomatic cases.

It's not entirely unexpected. As far as I'm aware, the Oxford vaccine was always likely to be less of an issue wrt to the timing than the Pfizer one. But we're definitely still in the more data needed before we've vindicated our vaccine strategy stage. And we still have no idea about what the effects for extending the interval on the Pfizer vaccine are.

I'm not saying it won't work out. It might even turn out to be better. Just that it might be better to remember what comes before a fall.