'Prison' and fines for gatherings?

[itsgettingweird]

Bare with me and this could have libertarian questions with our general way of life.

However it's quite clear the fines and increase fines are not stopping gatherings.
My concern isn't the fines etc but rather after these events the attendees could be spreading covid and I think people who are attending these events are less likely to self isolate.

So what about tightening laws that you go to 'prison' and receive a fine.

Except 'prison' is 10 days quarantine in a hotel. The fines are used to pay for the hotels helping the hospitality industry and cutting the chance of transmission from what may be a super spreader event.

The fines alone don't seem to be a deterrent and we need to do something and I think enforced quarantine is two fold.

I've always been quite relaxed about the odd breach on a low scale level (eg sitting in neighbours garden at SD for a coffee to MH) even though I haven't broken them myself but I'm finding it increasingly difficult to remain locked down whilst others go about their lives normally without caring about the consequences and probably adding to the numbers not dropping so quickly.

So is this a mad idea or is it something that could work and would be acceptable within society?

Yes, I like this idea!

Imagine all the stressed out mums breaking the rules on purpose to get a 10 day hotel break 🤣

@perpetualheadache I would LOVE this

@Secretroses and @Perpetualheadache come to mine for lunch indoors ready for check in at 3pm. I've got wine.

You've solved my worries about whether the OP envisaged any sort of trial process before we detain people.

Yeah that maybe a flaw in the plan

@Perpetualheadache

Imagine all the stressed out mums breaking the rules on purpose to get a 10 day hotel break 🤣

😂😂 Yes! I hadn't thought of it like that but now you mention it!! 😂😂

Raggie with regards to trial (I assume you mean court rather than a if it will work trial?) the answer is no.

That's why I put 'prison' in inverted commas. It's not really a prison sentence under law but an enforced quarantine under law to be out in the covid laws.

So your at a gathering where you shouldn't be. You are picked and taken straight to quarantine for an £800 10 day stay in a hotel!

Which clearly seems like some people's idea of a holiday

Gish I should be detained for my grammar

Yes, I would support this idea, specially for illegal raves and mass gatherings (e.g. weddings, etc)

How do you stop people just leaving the hotels? It's not the role of a travel lodge receptionist to become a prison officer. Also if owned a hotel the last people I would want there are those as irresponsible as to have mass gatherings during a global pandemic.

What if those people have young children do they go into care?

How about some community service litter picking all the masks in hedges alongside roads?

Dear God.....
I think we need to be more worried about the police state we are living in

@Perpetualheadache

Imagine all the stressed out mums breaking the rules on purpose to get a 10 day hotel break 🤣

Sounds like bliss

@itsgettingweird

Raggie with regards to trial (I assume you mean court rather than a if it will work trial?) the answer is no.

That's why I put 'prison' in inverted commas. It's not really a prison sentence under law but an enforced quarantine under law to be out in the covid laws.

So your at a gathering where you shouldn't be. You are picked and taken straight to quarantine for an £800 10 day stay in a hotel!

Which clearly seems like some people's idea of a holiday

It is illegal to detain people without the rule of law. Therefore, there should be no inverted commas around the word prison in your posts - detention without the rule of law is illegal and in contravention of international law. That is why everyone today is shouting about the imprisonment of the leaders of Myanmar - just because they have been put under house arrest doesn't mean they haven't been imprisoned. A silk lined prison cell is still a prison cell.

Are raves significantly adding to spread?

or is it the workplace? where so many people cannot afford to isolate, don't download the nhs app, don't get tested with that cough or slight fever? of haven forbid, can't/not allowed to work from home.

Also, 30% of people are asymptomatic and those that aren't, can be infectious for up to 2 weeks.

Everytime we ordered from Amazon, online deliveries etc etc we are helping spread.

and the caterers, cleaners, hotel staff/ security at these hotels will all be at risk too.

Not sure if this is a joke? I hope it is because if not then it's pretty scary that anyone would suggest this and that people would support it.

Is this seriously what it's come to now?

Detention without trial sounds like a great idea. Then all we need to do is ban peaceful protest and abolish elections “for public safety” and we’ve gone full on authoritarian nightmare! Get in!!

No. There is no crime for which imprisonment without trial, whether for ten days or ten years, is acceptable. And I think this sort of ridiculousness really just feeds the conspiracy theories that Covid doesn’t exist or isn’t serious and that governments are using it as an opportunity to enact draconian laws and seize greater extrajudicial control.

If the penalty for breaking a law is a fine, then that law only exists for the poor. As we know, there have been plenty of wealthy people and celebrities throwing parties and big events and it's obviously worth it for them because the fines are just a drop in the ocean compared to how much wealth they have.

What fucks me off is when the police have been trying to fine regular working-class people or targeting minorities aggressively for not even doing anything that could spread covid but are fined "because rules". Footage of police brutality to people in all this has been absolutely horrifying.

The way this is being handled through fines - and also the fact that unlike what you are proposing, there has never even been any talk of isolating afterwards to stop the spread - it isn't even about covid. The handling of this has made it clear it's about punishing poor people, not stopping the spread of covid.

We know that fines for crimes such as speeding and running a red light act as a good deterrent, even if it doesn't bring the number of crimes down to zero.

If fines for lockdown breaches are no longer serving as a deterrent, perhaps there needs to be a realisation that the citizenry no longer consents to these laws? 🤷‍♀️

You are joking OP, surely?

I can’t believe how merrily people are accepting all sorts of restrictions on our liberties and then suggesting more. Maybe I’ve read too much dystopian fiction, but it’s disturbing.

Yes, the virus is shit, but we have to balance any measures taken very carefully indeed, so that the ‘cure’ does not end up being worse than the issue we were trying to manage in the first place.

@littlepeas

You are joking OP, surely?

I can’t believe how merrily people are accepting all sorts of restrictions on our liberties and then suggesting more. Maybe I’ve read too much dystopian fiction, but it’s disturbing.

Yes, the virus is shit, but we have to balance any measures taken very carefully indeed, so that the ‘cure’ does not end up being worse than the issue we were trying to manage in the first place.

Scary isn't it

Prison perhaps for the organisers of large events or hotels etc allowing the events to take place particularly where there is a profit involved but only after courts are involved and not what you are proposing. Or possibly a bigger fine as £10000 may not be a big enough deterrent.

Imagine all the stressed out mums breaking the rules on purpose to get a 10 day hotel break

Prison Break... literally.