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Vaccine and grandparent care

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Tigger83 · 30/01/2021 07:02

I have an under 1 and a 3 year old and my mum is on her own so we created a legitimate bubble.

I made the decision for my ds (3) to not go to nursery and continued to pay for his place whilst cases were increasing and during lockdown as I didn't want to risk my Dm (or us!) and as I'm on mat leave it wasn't essential for him to be there.

Anyway mum gets vaccine part one on weds 3rd (woohoo!!!) and I'm looking to send ds back to nursery w/c8th as he's due to start preschool soon and I go back to work in a few months. My question is we will not see mum once ds goes back to nursery until 3 weeks after she's had her vaccine but after that is she then ok to mix with us again (25th) ??

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MaryShelley1818 · 30/01/2021 07:16

We have done very similar. Removed DS (3) from nursery to enable him to see Grandparents safely, I'm also on Mat Leave (being induced tomorrow), both parents are now vaccinated and once 2-3wks clear DS will hopefully return to nursery.

louisejxxx · 30/01/2021 07:19

Yes as she’s in your bubble that sounds perfectly reasonable to me Smile

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Tigger83 · 30/01/2021 07:19

Thanks @MaryShelley1818 I couldn't work out if after all this time protecting mum I'd then be putting her at risk... I blame being up all night with refluxy baby for 8months

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Tigger83 · 30/01/2021 07:21

@louisejxxx thanks! In my head I thought it was ok then anxiety took over

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TwirpingBird · 30/01/2021 07:25

There will still be a risk to her as its only the first vaccine so she still has a chance of getting CV and being badly affected by it, but depending on her age and health, the risk may be minimal enough to take. The vaccine doesnt make her immune, far from it. But its up to you. I think we are all going to have to get used to accepting some level on risk to get on with life

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Tigger83 · 30/01/2021 07:31

@TwirpingBird She's 74 in general good health. How big is the risk? I read the first vaccine for both was around 70% effective and if she did catch it after building the appropriate level of immunity she'd likely get it much milder?

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TwirpingBird · 30/01/2021 07:39

Honestly i dont know the exact statistics, but its never going to be a guarantee. But yes its about 70% effective which means that of course she can still get the virus, but she has a much lower chance of it hospitalising or killing her. You just have to accept that no vaccine will make her immune, thats not the point of the vaccines, but the risk of it having a very bad effect on her is much lower than without the vaccine, so you just decide if you are ok with that 30%ish risk. I think I would be.

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Tigger83 · 30/01/2021 07:47

Yup I knew it wouldn't be fully effective it was more the risk of it being fatal or very severe which concerned me. A 30% chance of catching a milder dose of it I can live with (more importantly so could my mum) but I wouldn't want to risk it if it was a 30% chance of it hospitalising or worse then I wouldn't want to risk it!!

Other than nursery we would be really low risk, dh working from home, click and collect for all shopping etc

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starbrightstarlight8888 · 30/01/2021 07:57

I thought it was around 30% chance of getting it after the first vaccine. I also thought you had to leave around 3 weeks after the second vaccine for it to reach maximum effectiveness.
I was then reading another thread where a BIL has had his vaccine and has now got COVID.

I wouldn't risk it.

starbrightstarlight8888 · 30/01/2021 07:59

Which vaccine is she having. The Pfizer one is around 50% effective after one vaccine. The Oxford one may be more but not sure.
The 30% in my previous post may not be correct, I just googled it.

Mousehole10 · 30/01/2021 08:04

Depends how big a risk you are all prepared to take. With your mum being 74 I would personally wait until after the second injection.

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Tigger83 · 30/01/2021 08:05

@starbrightstarlight8888 I think you have to leave it 3 weeks after the first to get the 50% + effectiveness and then you get to the 95% 3 weeks after the 2nd dose? I'm not sure though hence the post!

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Tigger83 · 30/01/2021 08:07

@starbrightstarlight8888 I believe the bil post either had it whilst he got the vaccine or contacted it shortly after (not after the 3 week period?) that's my understanding of the deaths/hospitalisation of most people who've had the vaccine hence why govt are still advising to follow lockdown rules etc (also to stop them spreading?)

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Tigger83 · 30/01/2021 08:13

www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4826 bmj says 52% after 12 days... for Pfizer

www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n18 AstraZeneca 72% after 21 days

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marbellamarc · 30/01/2021 08:17

Your not doing anything wrong but the risk isn't zero.

starbrightstarlight8888 · 30/01/2021 08:42

52% isn't high enough for me to take the risk. She'd be virtually just as likely to be badly affected as not.

starfish4 · 30/01/2021 08:59

As said you're not doing anything wrong, but there will be a risk especially as only the minority have had the vaccine at the moment. If you can work around it, I'd be tempted to keep the children in nursery and see your Mum outside. Both my Mum and myself have had the vaccine, but I will continue to see her outside as we have four keyworkers in our household and I'm the only one that's had the vaccine so far.

Whatdoidowithmylifenow · 30/01/2021 09:03

I don't think anyone really knows yet how effective the jabs are after 1 dose. There have been different interpretations of the data. Some say there is nearly 90% efficacy after 21days for the Pfizer jab because it looks like that from the numbers and this can't be down to the administration of the 2nd dose as it would not work that quickly.

Do you know what vaccine she is having and how does she feel about seeing your DC in those circumstances?

RoseAndRose · 30/01/2021 09:06

When you get the vaccine, you are told you should not change your activities based on the vaccine status.

I don't know if that will change when you get your part 2.

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Tigger83 · 30/01/2021 09:24

Is the effectiveness about preventing or reducing the symptoms of? E.g. is it 52% effective at preventing but everyone who's had it gets reduced seriousness?

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marbellamarc · 30/01/2021 09:44

I think it reduces the chances of death or serious illness.
They don't know if it impacts transmission.

marbellamarc · 30/01/2021 09:45

everyone who's had it gets reduced seriousness?

vaccines cannot work for every single person. they don't have a 100% hit rate so some will still die with a vaccine.

GreatBigBeautifulTommorow · 30/01/2021 10:08

You’ve done so well protecting your DM, I wouldn’t risk it until 3 weeks after the 2nd vaccine Flowers

canary1 · 30/01/2021 10:29

You can mix with her if you want because she is in your bubble- not because she will have had one dose of vaccine. Until the rules re mixing change, the vaccinated must act within the same rules that exist now. Otherwise they could also spread it and they would prolong the lockdown of our society.

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Tigger83 · 30/01/2021 10:58

@canary1 I know I can mix, it's whether I should or if she has enough protection.....

I'll chat it through with her, just wanted to understand people's views. 19th of May feels a long way off (3 weeks after her 12 weeks) with 2 under 3..... but obviously her safety comes first

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