Vaccine and grandparent care

[Tigger83]

I have an under 1 and a 3 year old and my mum is on her own so we created a legitimate bubble.

I made the decision for my ds (3) to not go to nursery and continued to pay for his place whilst cases were increasing and during lockdown as I didn't want to risk my Dm (or us!) and as I'm on mat leave it wasn't essential for him to be there.

Anyway mum gets vaccine part one on weds 3rd (woohoo!!!) and I'm looking to send ds back to nursery w/c8th as he's due to start preschool soon and I go back to work in a few months. My question is we will not see mum once ds goes back to nursery until 3 weeks after she's had her vaccine but after that is she then ok to mix with us again (25th) ??

I wouldn’t risk it until after the second vaccine, especially as you do not need childcare.
Even then I’d only use childcare if no other choice as wouldn’t want to risk my DC nor the staff.

After second dose- about 3 weeks later. It’s possible Pfizer first dose only confirms a few weeks protection. The government is running its own disgraceful trial by not following manufacturers’ instructions

Confers

@Tigger83 you have totally misread those two papers! 52% efficacy for Pfizer is immediately after the first dose, from day 15 -21 it is 89%. For the AZ vaccine it is 73% from 3 weeks after dose 1 in participants who only received 1 dose.

Difficult one. But you've done so long. Why jeopardize things for the sake of the short period till the 19th may?

@Tigger83

Thanks *@MaryShelley1818* I couldn't work out if after all this time protecting mum I'd then be putting her at risk... I blame being up all night with refluxy baby for 8months

You would be putting her at risk. She'd just have reduced risk of dying when/of she catches covid. It won't stop her catching it if you or children catch it and are in close proximity.

@ZydecoLaydee thanks sorry as I say I'm in a bit of a fug at the minute with no sleep at all last night...That sounds more positive?

So are we saying that nothing at all will change for those who are vaccinated until dose 2??

Yes thats my understanding. My grandparents have had their first dose but are still staying home not seeing anybody as it's still not safe.

I’m having the same debate except I do desperately need the childcare as nursery is full & I can’t add anymore days on! My mum is ECV as well. She’s struggling with her mental health through all this & is starting to almost blame me for keeping the grandchildren away from her. I dread to think her reaction if I say she can’t have my DD for a day come March :-/ .. I know it’s my decision but I’m completely stuck for what to do. And no, I cannot do my job on the phone all day in customer support with an 11 month old. You can’t take your eyes off her! Would kill herself, choke on something or simply continually crawl over to me and whinge to be picked up on repeat..

I wish the data was clearer. I can accept some risk. Especially if it reduces severe illness but it really doesn’t seem to be that clear!

My parents are having their jab on Thursday and desperate to see my boys but I am wary until they have their 2nd jab so will see

@canary1

After second dose- about 3 weeks later. It’s possible Pfizer first dose only confirms a few weeks protection. The government is running its own disgraceful trial by not following manufacturers’ instructions

We are doing far better than any other country apart from Israel !

@MoirasRoses this is what I'm struggling with I just want a definitive answer I don't do well with ambiguity lol.

My mum has no underlying conditions and would understand if I said we were going to keep away. I could keep ds off nursery but we're paying for it and he does need some interaction and preparation for pre school. However he would be devastated not to see his nana as would she.

I'm going to read more and chat with mum to try and make a decision. I'd really struggle not having mum around as I'm surviving on a couple of hours sleep a night with a challenging reflux baby and the few days I see mum gives me some relief. But mum and her health trump mine.

I don't see it as black and white as there are so many variables in it. I just wish we knew more about the vaccines and how they work in real life.

@TwirpingBird

There will still be a risk to her as its only the first vaccine so she still has a chance of getting CV and being badly affected by it, but depending on her age and health, the risk may be minimal enough to take. The vaccine doesnt make her immune, far from it. But its up to you. I think we are all going to have to get used to accepting some level on risk to get on with life

MIL who has been sheilding has had first dose and was told to continue shielding until the first 15 million people have been vaccinated and she has had both doses.

We're holding off until the second doses have taken effect. It feels like such a long time, but really it's nothing to keep our parents safe. It's likely the first dose does give a reasonable amount of immunity, but in the 70+ age group I would wait.