AZ - EU contract published

[Davros]

Breaking news on BBC

Looks like pm has asked eu to clarify its intentions according to bbc , don't know what that actually means though ?

Dh works in an industry which produces a product which is in very high demand globally at the minute. There's actually a worldwide shortage. (Sorry for being vague) I asked if he'd take products from customer A who'd ordered first to satisfy customer B who'd ordered later. He said he actually had this problem with government departments in two different countries. The later customer, who'd kicked off when told there'd be a delay in delivery and tried to escalate it to the very top of the company was told to f£&k off by all involved.

@Bluethrough a fair distribution after would be to give to those with the highest death rates/ cases and least amount of available vaccines

Bluethrough you do realise that JCVI will be advising on next stage

The next phase – further reduction in hospitalisation and targeted vaccination of those at high risk of exposure and/or those delivering key public services

The committee is currently of the view that the key focus for the second phase of vaccination could be on further preventing hospitalisation

@Aloethere what is your proof ? Often things like this are interpretations or personal opinions

so long as we vaccinate everyone in the UK, your elderly and sick can die in their droves, we don't care, we have enough vaccine and we ain't sharing. thats the UK's attitude.

that's a reach?

Posters wanted our excess vaccine to go to covax rather than europeans, what does that tell you?

What's the EUs stance?

Don't pretend like the majority of Britain give even a tiny shit about NI, they didn't before Brexit and they don't now

Oh fgs.

@MarshaBradyo I think thats the thing its ever evolving and things change at a moments notice
At present uk is showing no improvement due to vaccines as too early and its all guesswork when we will, we appear to be only country going for the larger hap between doses , we will have to be keeping a close eye on that as well.
There is still too many unknowns

@Hmmph

Thanks for the link. Shocking.

Why is Israel exempt? They’ve vaccinated half their population. They must have some kind of priority deal with Pfizer. Or is that somehow ok because they are not us.

(nb. I think good for Israel)

I believe they have a deal and in return they are collecting data for Pfizer

Across the board, there is incredulity in NI over the EU's staggeringly arrogant, unilateral and hypocritical move in imposing a land border in Ireland.

It has revealed itself to be a bully and a war-mongerer. It is no friend of either the ROI or NI, or indeed anyone except its own oligarchical elite.

Posters wanted our excess vaccine to go to covax rather than europeans, what does that tell you?

It tells me that those posters are of the mind that poorer countries around the world are in greater need of assistance re vaccinations than a wealthy bloc of countries

I am in agreement with that

Why are so many posters ignoring the fact that just vaccinating the vulnerable is enough? It's not.

This is from WHO

"To safely achieve herd immunity against COVID-19, a substantial proportion of a population would need to be vaccinated, lowering the overall amount of virus able to spread in the whole population. One of the aims with working towards herd immunity is to keep vulnerable groups who cannot get vaccinated (e.g. due to health conditions like allergic reactions to the vaccine) safe and protected from the disease".

"The percentage of people who need to be immune in order to achieve herd immunity varies with each disease. For example, herd immunity against measles requires about 95% of a population to be vaccinated."

Plus we don't yet know if the vaccine reduces transmission.

What does the EU want to achieve from all this? I don’t think it will result in more vaccines, it won’t help European citizens, what is their end goal?

@Baileysforchristmas

What does the EU want to achieve from all this? I don’t think it will result in more vaccines, it won’t help European citizens, what is their end goal?

So they can look like the big man to their members, and to slow down the UK vaccination programme so the EU doesn't look so shit and feel so bad about backing the Sanofi vaccine.

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@MarshaBradyo I think thats the thing its ever evolving and things change at a moments notice
At present uk is showing no improvement due to vaccines as too early and its all guesswork when we will, we appear to be only country going for the larger hap between doses , we will have to be keeping a close eye on that as well.
There is still too many unknowns [/quote]
I think pp thinks JCVI are recommending stopping at group 9.

They’re not and will advise on next phase. I’ll take JCVI views on it, luckily they’re pretty good.

Triggering article 16 an oversight.

@marbellamarc I did say this and on another thread lots of vulnerable people cannot have a vaccine and the hope is more immunised helps this.
Although my understanding is we don't know if any stop or minimise transmission yet , but we hope they do . But even less in hospital means other treatments can be done and people are not pushed back and treated too late.

Don't pretend like the majority of Britain give even a tiny shit about NI, they didn't before Brexit and they don't now

I grew up in the 70s I care a great deal about what happens in Northern Ireland. My DC have fortunately grown up without the ever present danger of being blown up on the streets of mainland Britain - and with the chance to visit great places in NI.

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@Bluethrough a fair distribution after would be to give to those with the highest death rates/ cases and least amount of available vaccines [/quote]
Fair enough, europe has among the worst death rates and it is what the thread is about, not the RoW..
Unless this is dealt with very quickly, this could escalate beyond our control, what would happen if France/EU put in strict border controls at Calais?
Decided to rip up the Brexit FTA? eurotom? the free skies agreement?

We would have to retaliate, with what? where would it end?

None of this is impossible, i bet my house no one thought a week ago the EU would implement border controls in ROi.

www.spiegel.de/international/europe/europe-s-vaccine-disaster-commission-president-ursula-von-der-leyen-seeking-to-duck-responsibility-a-1197547d-6219-4438-9d69-b76e64701802

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen is trying to get out of the firing line as anger grows over the EU's botched vaccine rollout. It's not the first time in her career that she has sought to evade responsibility.

hese days, though, von der Leyen is noticeably quieter – a silence that could have to do with the fact that the erstwhile "success story" might ultimately turn out to be the greatest disaster of her entire political career.

Europe is facing a vaccine disaster. Whereas countries like Israel, Britain and the United States. are quickly moving ahead with vaccinations, the EU is reeling from a string of setbacks. First, U.S. pharmaceutical giant Pfizer and its German partner BioNTech informed Brussels that it would be delivering far less vaccine than planned in the coming weeks. Then, the company AstraZeneca said it would only be delivering 31 million doses of its vaccine by the end of March instead of the 80 million Europe had been expecting.

Since then, frustration and anger has been growing across the EU. Europe, one of the most affluent regions in the world, is proving to be unable to quickly protect its citizens from a deadly disease, while other countries are showing how it is done.

And the boss is nowhere to be found.

Sky’s Adam Parson’s now reporting EU to withdraw threat of Article 16.

@Baileysforchristmas

What does the EU want to achieve from all this? I don’t think it will result in more vaccines, it won’t help European citizens, what is their end goal?

So they can hide their incompetence, who over past 4yrs have been crowing about how great the EU bloc is and its better to be in it than out...

Only now it shows the opposite

Protect the EU illusion at all costs

@Bluethrough but we are not in a better position than them at the moment , we are worse. Realistically we are couple months away from doing all over 60's maybe even 65's.
Isn't az short term delay?
Also if germany are not going to use for over 65's you would assume this would be sent to any member state who would after they have some for healthcare workers?
Do we know what the eu priority list is ? Is it the same as uk?
Also have they agreed modena ? If so when are they getting this

@NebbiaZanzare

Triggering article 16 an oversight.

A bit like that time I turned up at the airport and realised I had forgotten to print out my boarding pass. And I was flying Ryanair.