AZ - EU contract published

[Davros]

Breaking news on BBC

@DigitalGhost, by 11th January, Czech Republic vaccinated 40K people. Once again, how did they manage it with only some 15k vaccines?

@Wildswim

The truth is the EU hid behind the peace process for years and used both NI and ROI as pawns in order to try to thwart Brexit and then try to maintain the single market.

They couldn't give a toss about peace. This confirms it.

I'm raging.

Couldn't agree more, I remember saying a year maybe two years ago now on MN that the EU were using N Ireland and ROI as Brexit pawns and I got ripped to shreds it.

I'm very 😡

@CaraDuneRedux

The EU are escalating even further (beyond Article 16) - Ambrose Evans Pritchard in the Telegraph www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/01/29/eu-threatens-war-time-occupation-vaccine-makers-crisis-spirals/

"The European Council is preparing to invoke emergency powers of Article 122 against AstraZeneca and Big Pharma within days."

"This nuclear option paves the way for the seizure of intellectual property and data, and arguably direct control over the production process"

(The article 122 refers to the Lisbon treaty, not the Brexit treaty).

Ah, yes, the wildly successful "Venezuela" play.

There goes their economy. 📉 Honestly, I thought it would be at least a year or two before it would prove we were safer out of an imploding EU, even the wildest eyed Brexiters didn't think we'd be "safely standing clear" less than a month later.

Not hauliers. Phew.

So the company and the UK better think twice. When we see Europe is not treated well, not by the United States and not by the UK, then we have to show our weapons. We need to tell the other companies in the world if we treat the Europeans as second class, you will suffer for this.

Is this actually real?

As a Brexit voter, over the last 4 years I have had to justify why I voted the way I did, being called a racist xenophobe(my wife is European) etc

I'm gobsmacked it's only taken 29 days to justify why I voted the way I did

Years ago I dared to suggest that the EU would throw Ireland under a bus at a moment's notice. And here we are.

I feel sorry for Europeans, there was no need for all this, the UK would’ve shared

No we wouldn't, at no point has the UK Govt said any such thing, only that after it has vaccinated everyone (a year or more away) would it consider allowing vaccine to go to europe.

Many on mn have said they consider the govt toast if it did such a thing.

@kimono2

So the company and the UK better think twice. When we see Europe is not treated well, not by the United States and not by the UK, then we have to show our weapons. We need to tell the other companies in the world if we treat the Europeans as second class, you will suffer for this.

Is this actually real?

It was in plenty of papers yesterday. Good to see swivel eyed loons aren't just in England

Couldn't agree more, I remember saying a year maybe two years ago now on MN that the EU were using N Ireland and ROI as Brexit pawns and I got ripped to shreds it.

As I said on another thread, the MN ‘give me one fucking reason why leave is a good idea’ brigade have gone very quiet.

@kimono2

So the company and the UK better think twice. When we see Europe is not treated well, not by the United States and not by the UK, then we have to show our weapons. We need to tell the other companies in the world if we treat the Europeans as second class, you will suffer for this.

Is this actually real?

Yes German MP

Whoops MEP

@Hmmph

Thanks for the link. Shocking.

Why is Israel exempt? They’ve vaccinated half their population. They must have some kind of priority deal with Pfizer. Or is that somehow ok because they are not us.

(nb. I think good for Israel)

Germany are probably the drivers on this. Can you imagine the headlines in Israel or the equivalent of their mumsnet

@Dongdingdong

Couldn't agree more, I remember saying a year maybe two years ago now on MN that the EU were using N Ireland and ROI as Brexit pawns and I got ripped to shreds it.

As I said on another thread, the MN ‘give me one fucking reason why leave is a good idea’ brigade have gone very quiet.

Are they all 'watching with horror at what is happening in the EU' and fretting about how Europe is the 'laughing stock of the world'?

So now they want to invoke article 122 for a vaccine they basically called crap this week. Wtf is even happening

Years ago I dared to suggest that the EU would throw Ireland under a bus at a moment's notice. And here we are.

Did you post it on MN? You’d have been ripped to shreds if you had.

Front RTE:

@tconnellyRTE
Sources say the government is seeking a solution to the issue and that the Taoiseach has conveyed to VDL the implications of the move and the sensitivities around the Protocol in NI, ie that Article 16 is not appropriate in this scenario

Are they all 'watching with horror at what is happening in the EU' and fretting about how Europe is the 'laughing stock of the world'?

I don't think the goverment have said anything about sharing or not sharing just we will keep ours in track.
Lots on here were saying no but I think if in 2/3 months most over 60's done and we have opened up a bit and life looks on way up at least , then people could think differently.
As it is we won't of done our most vulnerable for a little bit yet and by then you would hope supply issues are looking better

@Dongdingdong

Are they all 'watching with horror at what is happening in the EU' and fretting about how Europe is the 'laughing stock of the world'?

Yes and all those who "got out as soon as they could" might be regretting it now.

Surely the EU wouldn't actually do it? Essentially seizing private property?!?! Even if they win the vaccine war, they'll lose massively long run?

On a interesting point raised I cant find anything about EU supply chains. I have read previously that some bits had been supplied from the EU, but I'm not sure if that is still the case. UK government seems very tight lipped. Which, in light of the warning to Nicola Sturgeon this week, I think they would be if they knew they had a fair number of vaccines stockpiled or significant uk production organised.

I have been incredibly critical of UK's handling of covid. But I've been saying for a while that in terms of legacy will Boris be forgiven if actually he gets the vaccines right.

@itsgettingweird Thank you

@MarshaBradyo Does this matter to us?

They can’t seize here / India and if they want to order production in other sites in EU, fine?

Not directly, no. But you can bet the American multinationals with European arms, and thus by extension, the US government will be paying very close attention.

This is the sort of over-reach that can spark incredibly damaging trade wars and send the whole global economy spiralling downwards - spiralling further downwards from a starting position of "fucked due to covid."

Of all the mistakes the EU are making over this, I think this could be the biggest.

@Ohthatsgreat you see, this is what Brexit propaganda did over the years. They painted the EU as some weird cross between an evil bureaucratic red-tape ruled empire and, on the other hand, a hippy NGO charity organisation who were expected just to lie down and let others walk over them.
Suddenly they actually invoke articles in their treaties and act hard in the interest of the EU countries and everybody in the UK screams, oh, evil EU, how come they are only looking at the interests of their own?
Why shouldn't they? This is actually what comes into my mind whenever I read shit about the EU acting like a bully, when they actually look at and act solely and only in the interest of their own states. Why should the EU look at what's in the interest of the UK? Are there any reciprocal benefits? No? Go and fuck yourselves sideways. Yes? Let's go and negotiate. That's where it's going now and how it's going to be from now on hopefully in all aspects of handling of UK and EU relationship.

Yes and all those who "got out as soon as they could" might be regretting it now.

Ha I wonder if we’ll see a reverse of those (mythical) all my friends are leaving U.K. threads

@MarshaBradyo

Yes and all those who "got out as soon as they could" might be regretting it now.

Ha I wonder if we’ll see a reverse of those (mythical) all my friends are leaving U.K. threads

Yes, didn't believe a single one of them anyway