AZ - EU contract published

[Davros]

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'Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake"?

I hope our government continues to maintain dignified silence. The EU are behaving in a completely insane way, if we engage there is a chance we will get covered in their crap and then they will spin it to blame us for provoking their actions.

Keeping the maximum possible distance between us and their tantrum seems the most sensible course if action.

the highest death rate in Europe,

Yes arguably we need it more so again #solidarity.

@Toptotoeunicolour

"EU Justice Commissioner Didier Reynders has warned of a "vaccine war".

Speaking on Belgian radio, he said: "The EU commission has pushed to co-ordinate the vaccines contracts on behalf of the 27 precisely to avoid a vaccines war between EU countries, but maybe the UK wants to start a vaccine war?

This kind of comment clearly indicates they are trying to blame the UK. The UK haven't done anything wrong at all here, so that's pretty childish comment.

The UK isn’t part of the Eu anymore and we paid first. Why do they still expect us to tow the line??

but maybe the UK wants to start a vaccine war?

Why aren't they holding Germany to the same standard?

So the company and the UK better think twice. When we see Europe is not treated well, not by the United States and not by the UK, then we have to show our weapons. We need to tell the other companies in the world if we treat the Europeans as second class, you will suffer for this.

Peter Liese MEP

I’m not sure what America has to do with it?

Are they on crack? Honestly it's the most logical explanation

@marbellamarc

Are they on crack? Honestly it's the most logical explanation

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@marbellamarc

Are they on crack? Honestly it's the most logical explanation

I think they are being blackmailed to deliberately destroy the EU, it's the only explanation....😉😅

Peter Liese certainly appears to be on crack. I mean he's seriously thinking about starting a trade war with the US over something that isn't anything to do with them?

Utter madness.

The not by the USA part. Do we think Pfizer has warned them not to block deliveries? Pfizer being an American owned company.

Or is it referring to something else?

When we see Europe is not treated well, not by the United States and not by the UK, then we have to show our weapons. We need to tell the other companies in the world if we treat the Europeans as second class, you will suffer for this.

Haven't we been here before?

I know, I know, below the belt but come on talk about walking into it!

I think the government will send a carefully considered response to article 16, that's outrageous.

Where was the solidarity when Germany gave themselves 150,000 vaccines and Italy,Spain, Sweden, Croatia, Italy, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovenia and others got less than 10,000.

@DigitalGhost

Where was the solidarity when Germany gave themselves 150,000 vaccines and Italy,Spain, Sweden, Croatia, Italy, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovenia and others got less than 10,000.

Ireland asked if they could be sent doses of the AZ vaccine in advance, so that they'd be ready to administer them as soon as approval was granted.

The EU said no.

No we don't, no one is holding the Govt to account for an utterly disastrous Covid response, this govt won't even admit to a single error, CV is, once again, rampant in care homes.
You can vote them out at the next election. The Commission is here to stay. MEP's can be voted in or out but only have rubber stamping capability.

@Hazelnutlatteplease

That covax table and what has been achieved with the Vaccine, gives me a little swell of pride to be British.

Agree. Can I also add I've liked all your posts on here. I'm not great at understanding what's going on or EU stuff etc but you always are so clear and explain.

The UK just spent 4 years shitting on Ireland and ignoring Northern Ireland and endangering the hard won GFA.

And then only a month into the new Trade Agreement the EU decide to shit all over both Ireland & NI and endanger the GFA by introducing a border on the island 🤔🤷🏻‍♀️

if we engage there is a chance we will get covered in their crap and then they will spin it to blame us for provoking their actions.

Exactly - it will become 'war of words', 'both sides as bad as each other' etc. At the moment even diehard Remainers can't spin it as the UK's fault, but the moment Boris opens his mouth, they will.

@Bluethrough

The benefit of having an accountable and democratically elected government

No we don't, no one is holding the Govt to account for an utterly disastrous Covid response, this govt won't even admit to a single error, CV is, once again, rampant in care homes.

It's very clear when it comes to the EU, Agreements are only to be kept when it suits them

Johnson ripped up his agreed and signed WA with the EU and Johnson wanted Brexit with no regard to the peace process in NI, his new WA effectively partitions NI away from GB, a position he said "No British PM would ever agree too"

Goose and gander.

The UK government is accountable - its MPs can be voted out at the next GE. I would suggest the middle of a pandemic is not the time to start to delve into was has gone wrong with the UK response; care homes, for example.

Who can defend the EU's actions today. Appalling.

The Commission is here to stay. MEP's can be voted in or out but only have rubber stamping capability.

Precisely. This is why I voted Leave. And I wondered for the life of me why no-one on Mumsnet ever seemed to spot this weakness in the EU?

Prob lucky a certain other person isn't the usa president still there would of been a busy twitter thread

Is the map of exemptions real? Where has it come from? Where is the evidence. From the shocking and unexpected behaviour of the EU over the last couple of days, it is believable but I’d like to see a proper source

The list of exempt countries is here. Why are you worried about whether the map is real or not? It just reflects what the EU has documented in its new piece of legalisation about who is exempt. It was featured on guido fawkes website

ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/api/files/document/print/en/qanda_21_308/QANDA_21_308_EN.pdf

@bluethrough I see you have found thread , as you are on mn you will see the goverment is slated daily , some of us not everything as we await all the evidence and facts, but most of us have our complaints , and we have elections we can vote for change.
Can I say though your user name made me think you actually voted a certain way

@Toptotoeunicolour

No we don't, no one is holding the Govt to account for an utterly disastrous Covid response, this govt won't even admit to a single error, CV is, once again, rampant in care homes. You can vote them out at the next election. The Commission is here to stay. MEP's can be voted in or out but only have rubber stamping capability.

No i cannot, even i don't believe lil'e ol me can do that!

My point is that whilst the govt has done brilliantly on vaccines, it has equally done very badly on covid deaths, nhs capacity, track and trace, schools and infections, yet no one is willing to acknowledge they could have done better.
I would be willing to back the govt if they accepted they have messed up on occasion.

My MP rubber stamps everything the conservatives do and because we don't have PR, my vote, in a tory area or a tory in a labour area, means nothing.
I don't feel my govt is any more accountable than my MEP, who has far far less power.

This idea of accountability is a fallacy.

I think (in my complete lack of any knowledge way) that the government is playing it well by not responding, it also gives the impression they believe their contract with AZ to be water tight and not under threat... maybe.