AZ - EU contract published

[Davros]

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If it were a reverse, the people of the UK would be demanding the heads of the government in charge of placing the orders for vaccines. The politicians may be trying to deflect blame but the UK people would have absolutely no truck with it. The benefit of having an accountable and democratically elected government.

@Gwenhwyfar

"I think that a lot of countries will decide to leave the EU"

There is just no evidence for that at all.

No there isn’t. However this spectacle will definitely show the EU isn’t fit for purpose. They are massively behind in vaccines because of feet dragging and now they have triggered article 16.

This will start other people in other countries to get worried for future disasters and EU ability to respond swiftly.

Triggering article 16 shows them as petty bullies. Who wants to be aligned with that?

Thanks @CaraDuneRedux as I was off googling it as I realised I should be able to manage that myself but I was struggling invoking Article 16, is it actually just article 16 for Britain? I saw a number of other countries are exempt I think?

The outburst is from EC and German MEPs who say we should ‘suffer’

Yes the German MEP said UK and USA

The UK media seem to be inciting war!

🙄

I actually am

Yes me too. I'm glad we left the EU and I expected it to be tough on the UK but I really didn't expect it to behave like this. I guess I assumed the people working there would be smarter.

@MarshaBradyo
I think they are referring to the tabloid (Mail, Express) newspapers yesterday. They had some inflammatory headlines about the EU being after British vaccines, as you would expect from those papers.

@OppsUpsSide

Thanks *@CaraDuneRedux* as I was off googling it as I realised I should be able to manage that myself but I was struggling invoking Article 16, is it actually just article 16 for Britain? I saw a number of other countries are exempt I think?

They have basically put a hard border between Ireland and NI for vaccine deliveries.

@TheresWaldo

The Eu are stamping their feet at AZ, not at the UK. They invested hugely upfront and AZ are now saying they can't deliver what they promised. The UK media seem to be inciting war!

Pretty sure it's not the UK media that's stirring things up on the most sensitive border in Europe.

@SushiSoozie

And for that matter, the UK has spent 4 years shouting fuck the lot of you at the EU. It's time to wake up and realise you have no friends left.

Boris has done a great PR job on you lot. Bought up a load of vaccines are you forget about every other terrible thing they've done, its genius in one way. Relies on the gullibility of the British public, but then half of them fell for the NHS bus and all the Brexit lies, so not hard.

Blimey I would see someone about those anger issues!

The Eu are stamping their feet at AZ, not at the UK. They invested hugely upfront and AZ are now saying they can't deliver what they promised. The UK media seem to be inciting war!

Have you been following at all? AZ had a best attempt contract, not an actual dose contract. EU want AZ to break a previous contract because it suits them. EU are now reneging on an international treaty and threatening the stability of a member state and a neighbouring state because it suits them. (Having previously tried to block a democratically mandated decision for the very same reason). Did you see the map earlier of the states EU countries are and aren't allowed to ship too?

It's very clear when it comes to the EU, Agreements are only to be kept when it suits them.

@OppsUpsSide

Thanks *@CaraDuneRedux* as I was off googling it as I realised I should be able to manage that myself but I was struggling invoking Article 16, is it actually just article 16 for Britain? I saw a number of other countries are exempt I think?

Article 16 is part of the Brexit Northern Ireland protocol.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-northern-ireland-protocol

I don’t think EU countries will leave
The less wealthy ones need the support and Germany probably enjoys the central role

I agree about Germany and the less wealthy nations, Marsha, but it's more the other net donors I was thinking of, which now we've left is (in order) France, Italy, the Netherlands, Sweden, Austria, Denmark, Finland and Ireland

However much Germany enjoys it's leadership of europe - ironic in itself really - I imagine it'll lose some of its gloss if they end up footing yet more of the bill

www.rollonfriday.com/discussion/discussion-az-eu-contract

Discussion of the minutiae of the contract from some lawyers in case it’s of interest- maim conclusion is that the EU lawyers really cocked up the drafting

Interesting that neither Boris Johnson nor anyone else in the British govt has spoken on this latest development.

Perhaps a case of 'Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake"?

@IcedPurple

Interesting that neither Boris Johnson nor anyone else in the British govt has spoken on this latest development.

Perhaps a case of 'Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake"?

Definitely!

Always stay quiet in these situations

Bojo should keep a dignified silence.

Meanwhile the EU is dangerously escalating the rhetoric by the minute:

Separately, EU Justice Commissioner Didier Reynders ramped up the war of words by accusing the UK of starting 'a vaccine war' and saying that Britain has shown 'a lack of solidarity'.

'The EU commission has pushed to co-ordinate the vaccines contracts on behalf of the 27 precisely to avoid a vaccines war between EU countries, but maybe the UK wants to start a vaccine war?

'Solidarity is an important principle of the EU. With Brexit, it's clear that the UK doesn't want to show solidarity with anyone,' he told the BBC.

"EU Justice Commissioner Didier Reynders has warned of a "vaccine war".

Speaking on Belgian radio, he said: "The EU commission has pushed to co-ordinate the vaccines contracts on behalf of the 27 precisely to avoid a vaccines war between EU countries, but maybe the UK wants to start a vaccine war?

This kind of comment clearly indicates they are trying to blame the UK. The UK haven't done anything wrong at all here, so that's pretty childish comment.

'Solidarity is an important principle of the EU. With Brexit, it's clear that the UK doesn't want to show solidarity with anyone,' he told the BBC.

I know this is a serious situation - esp. the imposition of a hard border in Ireland an the escalating rhetoric.

But that quote makes me laugh every time I read it. It's only makes sense if you refuse point blank to recognise that Brexit happened. Has this guy been under a rock for the last 4 and a half years?

Is the map of exemptions real? Where has it come from? Where is the evidence.

From the shocking and unexpected behaviour of the EU over the last couple of days, it is believable but I’d like to see a proper source.

I am shocked at how they are behaving like an abusive ex. It’s been 29 days since we left. And for once we have done nothing wrong. And actually, after all the dire mistakes and the highest death rate in Europe, the only thing we’ve got right is vaccines. But they can’t bear for us to be succeeding at anything.

How can you blame a country just because they acted faster that's what I don't understand

The benefit of having an accountable and democratically elected government

No we don't, no one is holding the Govt to account for an utterly disastrous Covid response, this govt won't even admit to a single error, CV is, once again, rampant in care homes.

It's very clear when it comes to the EU, Agreements are only to be kept when it suits them

Johnson ripped up his agreed and signed WA with the EU and Johnson wanted Brexit with no regard to the peace process in NI, his new WA effectively partitions NI away from GB, a position he said "No British PM would ever agree too"

Goose and gander.

The outburst is from EC and German MEPs who say we should ‘suffer’

Yes the German MEP said UK and USA

Hang on, I missed that ... you mean he suggested the USA should suffer too???

Good luck to them if they try that

@IcedPurple

Interesting that neither Boris Johnson nor anyone else in the British govt has spoken on this latest development.

Perhaps a case of 'Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake"?

Keeping quiet seems best move right now see what cards other players have. Wonder how long America wait to say something. Guess they distracted with worse covid crisis than ours , civil unrest and impeachment of trump. They were so Europe before