AZ - EU contract published

[Davros]

Breaking news on BBC

Clearly they produce them and stockpile them for delivery date.

They don't do this

@marbellamarc

Spanish one is reporting that the British have things to hide and that’s why they’re refusing to show it

Even if we did why is that relevant?

quite! "Things to hide" could be translated as "negotiated better"!

The thing about the AZ vaccine is that it is a collab of Oxford uni, a British manufacturer, tested on U.K. citizens in dozens of U.K.using research facilities across the U.K. and U.K. research staff( also SA and Brazil)
The U.K. government paid for this up front. It’s not unreasonable to expect the U.K. government to use it on its own residents first. I am sure the french government would do the same with sanofi.
Pfzier didn’t take public money as I understand it, is an American pharma company and also ran trials in the U.K. with U.K. volunteers so we actively contributed to the pfzier vaccine too.

@Waspnest I’m sorry - are you saying you think that all the millions of doses are produced the day before they’re delivered?

@MarshaBradyo

Spanish one is reporting that the British have things to hide and that’s why they’re refusing to show it

All you can do is ignore desperate taunts.

Spanish need to look at who created their problems - the EU. Not U.K.

I’m Spanish so I can see what people are saying and trust me barely anyone is blaming the Eu. They all think this is a revenge for brexit and the Eu is doing right. So it’s not as in Italy.

@marbellamarc so again you’re saying those factories are sitting idle and will start up the day before a delivery is due and make millions in one day? Wow that’s incredible productivity!

Too many people here setting this as a U.K. vs EU thing and hyperbole about ‘stealing our vaccine’ ‘abusive relationship with the U.K.’ ‘glad we’ve left the EU’ and other nonsense

Isn't that what the EU are saying?
How do you see it?

ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/qanda_20_2467

The EU are usually and understandably very keen on confidentiality and explains the reasons in this link.

The UK have no reason to disclose their contract, its just a distraction technique from the shambles the EU have made of vaccine procurement so far.

@FitzsimmonsMarvel don't we receive something like 2 million maybe less a week out if 2 places ? So they don't exactly have. Stockpile like people are saying , we have capacity to vaccinate more i we had more supply so when people talk stock pile , they mean not sat around for weeks

No I think as they're produced they're shipped out. This is why sometimes vaccination hubs here only get a small amount of notice that they will be receiving supplies.

The ‘Pfizer’ vaccine was developed by the German firm BioNTech and is manufactured at a BioNTech plant in Belgium. Pfizer ran the trials and did logistics but the technology is European.

so again you’re saying those factories are sitting idle and will start up the day before a delivery is due and make millions in one day? Wow that’s incredible productivity!

I didn't say that did I? I just said they don't stockpile millions which is what you claimed?

@Fitzsimmonsmarvel you know that isn't what marbellmarc is saying and i guess shipments leave these factories daily to ship all over the uk.

@Eyewhisker is pfizer not part us as well ??

@eyewhisker USA i mean

I think Ihatefish should provide a summary on the end of every MN thread.

Astrazeneca AND Oxford press briefing about EU at 5.15pm. Interesting!! (Maybe, or maybe not.)

Those speaking at the webinar press conference include Pascal Soriot, the firm's chief executive officer, and Prof Andrew Pollard, director of the Oxford vaccine group.

[quote FitzsimmonsMarvel]@IcedPurple the delivery was due to be ready for the EU in Q1 and the approval has gone through today. The doses were pre-paid for. They were not subject to approval already being granted before their production if you look at the contract. The doses take time to create (obviously given they now can’t meet the order) so yes they should have kept them for use in EU as part of fulfilling their obligation to the EU.

Did you think they were making the million doses in one day before delivery? Clearly they produce them and stockpile them for delivery date.[/quote]
But wouldn’t quarter 1 be any time up to and including 31 March? Would vaccines which have been administered in the U.K. have expired by then. What if the EU hadn’t approved the vaccine? Should they have gone to waste? The EU have fucked up its contract negotiations. It is now trying to punish citizens of a third party country.

The correct procedure would be to apply to he courts of the appropriate jurisdiction to see if there has been a breach of contract. If, as looks unlikely AZ have breached contract then I don’t think they can be forced to breach another contract to make restitution for the breech. Mind you that would be common law. Basically they need to rely on receiving a supply from a friendly third party to help them out- Germany and France are obviously not really doing too well on that score now are they?

@waspnest as we all think
The accusation of stock piles would mean vaccine sat there waiting for
Weeks until it get used and this is not happening, how anyone can think any different.
Why do they think we are spacing the doses , longer than recommended , if we had excess stock there would be no need to make this gamble.

@donewithitalltodayandxmas exactly

@NebbiaZanzare
Coronapizza? Do you really think it's the beginning of the end for the EU? Genuinely? The whole pandemic has just made me completely lose faith in it. And it's made me really homesick for the UK to be honest.

When I was going back to Dublin (where my dad is from and my parents live), the irish border control guy took my (British) passport and said "I would be embarrassed to travel on that if I were you".

I just feel like it was painted as though there would be animosity towards the EU and EU citizens in the UK, but the reality is the opposite.

The ‘Pfizer’ vaccine was developed by the German firm BioNTech and is manufactured at a BioNTech plant in Belgium. Pfizer ran the trials and did logistics but the technology is European.

But the contract countries have will be with Pfizer, the manufacturer. In the same way that Oxford Uni developed the AZ vaccine but it is AZ (in Europe) that is making it and is the company with the contract with the EU.

I’m Spanish so I can see what people are saying and trust me barely anyone is blaming the Eu. They all think this is a revenge for brexit and the Eu is doing right. So it’s not as in Italy.

Which tallies with my earlier post about this being a political move by the EU. It's not about whether the Commission are right, whether they can beat AZ in a courtroom. It's about saying "Oh look, a dead cat..."

And it would appear in some countries at least this is working - people are indeed going "Fuck me, that's a big dead cat" rather than "why didn't you order enough vaccine in the first place, why didn't you approve it faster, why didn't you tie down the contracts better?"

Pfizer is American but it’s role was to arrange the trials and do logistics. It didn’t develop the vaccine. I doubt BioNTech would agree to stop selling to Germany!

I can understand why the Germans are annoyed that the vaccine they developed is being exported - and that they are equally affected by any shortages - but that the same does not apply to U.K. vaccines.

It just results in vaccine nationalism where the US, U.K. and EU each put themselves first and the world suffers. The US and U.K. have done this earlier, the EU was caught sleeping and is now trying to catch-up.

Exactly Cara