Do you feel sorry for Boris?

[User133847]

Seeing the headlines in the papers today and there seems a lot of sympathy for him. The front pages see him looking really forlorn and sorrow regarding the death toll.

When you think a year ago he was planning on ushering in what he deemed as a golden age of Britain. Now 12 months later it's in tatters.

I can understand the sympathy, but wonder whether a Labour PM would be offered the same.

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@inquietant

Just because your prime minister, do you believe, that suddenly having the title, makes everyone obey ?

Who do you think is in charge then? A shadowy conspiracy?

People don't 'obey' but he's the prime minister, he is in charge of the machinery of state.

My perspective, I dont have a clue where the power resides, all I know is I know nothing, and when you see different political groups with different agendas, it's not much of a leap, to presume, that Boris group could be trying to achieve x, then other groups with their people, could be trying to achieve y, ect

@Yohoheaveho

he is in charge of the machinery of state Even so there will be constraints on his power? it's not like he has complete free rein 🤔

What constraints do you imagine? I don't really understand what you're getting at.

Obviously he only has prime ministerial power, but that is enough.

Nope. It's not like he accidentally stumbled into the job.

My perspective, I dont have a clue where the power resides, all I know is I know nothing, and when you see different political groups with different agendas, it's not much of a leap, to presume, that Boris group could be trying to achieve x, then other groups with their people, could be trying to achieve y, ect

Well no, it isn't like that. He has an outright majority and there is no 'other groups' when it comes to the issue of Covid as the Labour party have voted with him.

So I think the idea he didn't have enough power is incorrect.

What constraints do you imagine?
I have no idea, I thought someone knowledgeable might come along and fill in details for me👀

I am intrigued by this theme of he's not really in charge, someone else is pulling the strings, he doesn't really have power.

This is coming out of focus groups too, assume these conspiracy messages are gaining ground on SM.

@inquietant

My perspective, I dont have a clue where the power resides, all I know is I know nothing, and when you see different political groups with different agendas, it's not much of a leap, to presume, that Boris group could be trying to achieve x, then other groups with their people, could be trying to achieve y, ect

Well no, it isn't like that. He has an outright majority and there is no 'other groups' when it comes to the issue of Covid as the Labour party have voted with him.

So I think the idea he didn't have enough power is incorrect.

All I know is, we never see the full jigsaw of all the different agendas, groups, achievements, ect, and when you see e.g. From.history different perspectives on different agendas, some secret some open, ect then unless we are on his inside team, then it seems the jigsaw will be half baked.

He’s a lying, incompetent, callous prick. I hope he lies awake at night writhing in agony of shame and despair.

@Hawkins001

The bottom line, Boris is one person, and we have all seen on different shows , eg commander in chief, the west wing, the good wife, ect and the various power plays from various different sources and groups, then imagine trying to guide the general public on trying to keep them safe, ect with those and other factors I've probably missed, you imagine your self in Boris, shoes, then ask yourself whether you think you could better ?

No, I couldn’t have, but that’s why I’ve never put myself forward as a nation’s Prime Minister or President.

Other countries’ leaders have certainly done markedly better, so why does the UK deserve such a shitty deal?

Oh, but the UK’s speshul, and what other countries have done can’t possibly be replicated, because we’re too big and important, blah, blah, blah.

Sorry, I forgot...

TheOneLeggedJockey to give you a fully qualified and detailed analysis, I'd need to study all various sources of information, all various factors that the different countries have achieved and not achieved, then I'd have to draw comparisons where possible, ect to even have a good attempt at a good analysis to answer your question.

@LadyWithLapdog

He’s a lying, incompetent, callous prick. I hope he lies awake at night writhing in agony of shame and despair.

I really don't think he's capable of shame - it's an alien concept to him.

OK, knock yourself out.

The fact remains that it doesn’t make the slightest difference whether Jo/e Bloggs could have done a better job or not.

What is significant is that there is every other country around the world that one could compare the UK to.

So to ask - could anyone else have done better than Boris? Well, yes, plenty of other countries have done better.

Nope.

He is an arrogant incompetent twat, a lying shit and totally unfit for high office.

He and his equally corrupt cronies have wrecked this country

TheOneLeggedJockey I would be intrigued to read the detailed analysis that lead you to your conclusion and all referenced with detailed source information etc.

@TheOneLeggedJockey don’t waste your time with wind-up merchants. I wouldn’t.

LOL, good one.

Are you saying the UK is the world leader in domestic management of the pandemic?

I had a little bet with a friend that he would resign by January. so we've only got a few days left . Hes been utterly incompetent weak and he has blood on his hands for the shit show we are currently in.
so many mistakes. fannied about delaying a lockdown because was more concerned about the economy and money and instead has fucked the economy harder than it would have if he had followed the advice of epidimeologists.
We should have had a hard lockdown with aequate track and trace set up for when lockdown ended so any outbreaks could be dealt with before they got out of control like we have now. Funding should have been channelled into public health who have the expertise on contract tracing, not given to some outsourcing firm who are clueless and just hire people to read from a script.
They were too quick to push people back out because they were so desperate to get people spending again (eat out to help out etc) that they have just dragged this out and still ended up with the worst death toll and a screwed economy.

@LadyWithLapdog there sure are some comedians on this thread.

Except that 100,000 people lost isn’t very funny.

Not even slightly. It’s what was obviously going to happen when he bumbled on about taking it on the chin. We’ve been shouting at the tv, on social media, in our heads and hearts for almost a year. He doesn’t even want to review and reflect until after it’s all over. Useless.

Yes I do. I think Boris is doing the best anyone could in the most extreme circumstances imagineable.

Thank God Kier isn't at the helm.

100,000 is a lot of people who’ve taken it on the chin 😢

TheOneLeggedJockey when writing essays , dissertations, ect one of the points was that when we form the question, we then do the research as detailed as possible to answer the question, rather than just jumping to a conclusion based on a small amount of research, therefore, a detailed analysis of various factors would be required to provide a detailed analysis.