How is this right, vaccine roll out

[Juststopmoaning]

My sons friend works for the NHS in admin. He is in his 20s, fit and healthy. He can work from home but chooses to go into the office where there is only 1 other person. Because he works for the NHS he was offered the jab and had it last week. I'm in my 50s, a teacher and in class teaching 19 year 10 students. I don't want to get into when teachers should have the jab, I'm happy to wait my turn but it just seems very unfair that because this lad works for the NHS he has had the jab even tho he doesn't come into contact with any patients

I would think the decision had been made to vaccinate the whole organisation because it helps speed things up logistically. If you have to wait for priority lists to be made up within the NHS it might delay some healthcare staff having their vaccine or take up previous time that could be used elsewhere. The NHS employs so many people, working out such lists could take weeks! Also, the Trusts aren't going to want their admin staff working from home indefinately.

I do agree other emergency services should be in line for the vaccine sooner than waiting their age turn.

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some people are jumping to conclusions. not every nhs worker works in a hospital. my dh works in a gp clinic in a small office on the top floor archiving very old patient records. he never comes into contact with patients and there are only 3 people in his team. if he didnt do his job that would not affect how the nhs is run. i believe that teachers, school staff, police, supermarket workers etc should ave the jab before him so i agree the systems is wrong. the op is entitled to an opinion just like you all are but there are to many 'rude' people on here who like to belittle people and mock and make fun of posters. shame on you all, be nice people

For someone "happy to wait their turn" the OP seems to be totally unhappy to wait their turn and damned rude about waiting their turn as well.

rude how, care to explain. i dont know how you think the op is totally unhappy to wait there turn

Because without admin and other non-clinical roles, the NHS doesn’t function. If they all go down unwell, it just adds more pressure to an already overstretched service.

@Juststopmoaning

Calm down everyone.

Clearly this is not the place for people to understand.

Won't be reading replies.

Happy arguing everyone

AKA

Got my arse handed to me, I'm off!

Seriously, OP. You need to take the advice of your username!

I agree with you op it's ridiculous. Certainly under 40 should have to wait with everyone else. Once it is determined which vax is best to prevent transmission that should be given to those not at risk themselves. save the better vax for those actually vulnerable.
We are being told the chances of non vulnerable 20yo getting seriously ill enough (to not be able to work from home) is vanishingly unlikely. Is that untrue??

I think it's totally right that calm logic rather than kneejerk reaction prevails here.

The NHS needs to be as strong as it possibly can be, and that includes all the back up roles which allows this huge machine to move so that at the front end the clinical staff can do what they need to do.

There is no possible way to evaluate each individual's impact without hugely slowing down the process so for expediency it is far better to make a blanket rule.

Is “wah wah person x got vaccinated and I didn’t” the new “wah wah person x got a school place and I didn’t”? Great stuff

I agree with you op it's ridiculous. Certainly under 40 should have to wait with everyone else

Can you clarify please? Do you mean blanket policy that under 40’s in the NHS get no jab - ICU nurse, cleaner or BAME? Or just WFH under 40’s that are omitted?

If the former do you agree protecting the NHS is not a valid aim and the current decimation in acute staff levels due to sickness and self isolation absence is sustainable ? If the latter can you suggest how the administration of that would work in ranking the relative need of every single NHS employee and if this would actually in the real world lead to the vaccination roll out being any quicker?

We are being told the chances of non vulnerable 20yo getting seriously ill enough (to not be able to work from home) is vanishingly unlikely. Is that untrue??
It is not vanishingly unlikely, but it is unlikely and if so for a shorter period. But again, the task of ranking 1.3 million staff of those who are WFH vulnerable vs WFH not vulnerable vs not WFH vulnerable or not is mind boggling. Those figures don’t even include primary care. What about someone that works from home but could come in if vaccinated? What about someone redeployed so their “official” job role does not match up to what they are currently doing?

And finally. Why does everyone assume they know the ins and outs of everyone’s medical history? My outwardly healthy 26 year old friend has a condition that put her on the original shielding list. Only her closest friends knew (not even all of her close family were aware).

I would genuinely be interested in your answers.

In part because it is easier to do a blanket "all staff" then move on than soft through the whole NHS working out who needs it and when.

Is “wah wah person x got vaccinated and I didn’t” the new “wah wah person x got a school place and I didn’t”?

On the plus side those statements from about September last year that nobody will take up the vaccine offer, that EVERYONE they know working in the NHS has said they won’t have one are looking less accurate. And that is genuinely good news to celebrate, in my opinion.

@MadameButterface

Is “wah wah person x got vaccinated and I didn’t” the new “wah wah person x got a school place and I didn’t”? Great stuff

This!

God I am sick to death of all these threads everyday about people getting the vaccine.

"Clearly this is not the place for people to understand."

Translation: I'm too stupid to work out that back office is a vital function and now I've been told, I can't stand having my lack of thinking made obvious, so I'm pretending that explanations are arguments just so I can flounce off my own thread.

And you're a teacher? Hahaha.

I was a "runner" in an NHS hospital up until 12 years ago when we moved areas. It was an admin job and quite a lowly one at that. It would have been impossible to do at home and absolutely vital to the provision of care. I was literally all over the hospital, including the HDU.

I know that it different to the op's situation, but I imagine it is quicker and easier to do all NHS staff than try to work out who is worthy. Probably for the same reason that all pensioners over a certain age get a bus pass. Too much time and money to decide who receives it on an individual basis.

@HSHorror

I agree with you op it's ridiculous. Certainly under 40 should have to wait with everyone else. Once it is determined which vax is best to prevent transmission that should be given to those not at risk themselves. save the better vax for those actually vulnerable. We are being told the chances of non vulnerable 20yo getting seriously ill enough (to not be able to work from home) is vanishingly unlikely. Is that untrue??

All the under 40s or just those without other risk factors? Bearing in mind you’d probably need to take into account the likelihood of any person working in a hospital catching covid and what the effects of large numbers of any particular role being off sick or self isolating would have on services.

@Juststopmoaning

Calm down everyone.

Clearly this is not the place for people to understand.

Won't be reading replies.

Happy arguing everyone

What because you don't like people putting you in your place?

People are all about love for the NHS until they think somone undeserving has had the vaccine before them.

@toffeepuddingisthebest

some people are jumping to conclusions. not every nhs worker works in a hospital. my dh works in a gp clinic in a small office on the top floor archiving very old patient records. he never comes into contact with patients and there are only 3 people in his team. if he didnt do his job that would not affect how the nhs is run. i believe that teachers, school staff, police, supermarket workers etc should ave the jab before him so i agree the systems is wrong. the op is entitled to an opinion just like you all are but there are to many 'rude' people on here who like to belittle people and mock and make fun of posters. shame on you all, be nice people

Exactly. I know a nurse who works in a clinic for botox and those types of procedures who has had her jab. Why?! Because the nhs is not properly managed. No way a nurse who is currently not working due to her job injecting botox not being allowed currently should have had a vaccine before extremely critically vulnerable people.

And if the vaccine doesnt prevent you getting it, just the severity, then it wont stop people being off sick and isolating.

The only logical reason for vaccinating low risk nhs staff is because it is easy, so gets the numbers up fast.

What a flounce

rainbowunicorn

"God I am sick to death of all these threads everyday about people getting the vaccine."

guess what, im sick to death of people like you replying to threads that you clearly have no constructive input to. if you are sick of them, dont click on them, dont read them and certainly dont waste your time replying to them if it makes you so sick, simples! you are one of the many people on here who are very unkind, such a pitty that so many people are nasty to other people in a world where we should try to be more tolerant. not surprised the op didnt want to return. whether or not i agree or disagree with a topic i am mature enough to be polite so
run along now and i hope you find a thread that doesnt make you so terribly sick

Yes I totally agree I have a friend who works for the nhs and hasn't been into the office for 12 months and has been given the vaccine! Meanwhile my clinical vulnerable husband will probably have to wait until late March! It's not acceptable, as imagine how many thousands of vaccine have been given to people who don't really need them yet.

I thought the governments goal was to reduce deaths , not just hand the vaccine out to whoever works for the nhs in any capacity even if they are not patient facing and haven't been for months and months.

Why ask the question if you don't want to read any replies? . Some things are frustrating, but those who administer the vaccines are currently working with what they've got. The admin staff here who have had the jab have had it with 'leftover' doses, because the hospital already has their details and it's better than them going in the bin. Admin staff are also vital to things running smoothly, and they won't be working from home forever.

I do agree there should be school vaccination hubs though, where all staff are offered the jab, and sets everyone in safer stead for being in currently, and for when schools return. That's a seperate issue though imo, and bad feeling should be focussed on policy rather than individuals having vaccines they can have.

There has to be some criteria to judge who goes first. It will never seem fair to some. Look on the bright side - we are so lucky that this country is racing ahead.

@Juststopmoaning I know you've flounced off and said you won't read but I hope you do after posters have taken their time to answer your question and explain the situation. It's actually clear they understand better than you do. Your username is a little ironic too!

The fact is there shouldn't be so many loopholes. Priority should be needs based only if your not frontline staff. I have worked for the nhs so I know that admin working from home is not priority! There is only a limited capacity each day to get the vaccine, so undoubtedly giving vaccines to people who are not vulnerable or frontline pushes others further down the queue!