Why have certain countries not suffered?

[Wilsonwilson]

There is a streamer I watch who has been trapped in Vietnam. They had a short lock down in march but have been fine since. Why? It doesn't make sense.

@HalfShrunkMoreToGo

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-52628283

So Vietnam enacted action early and had population compliance, as stated by several PPs

Travel restrictions, closed schools, extensive contact tracing and 14 days enforced stays in quarantine centres for people entering the country and contacts of positive cases.

Agree with stricter travel restrictions and quarantine. My parents have to had a negative covid test plus quarantine in a hotel for 14 days when they travelled by plane from one region to a different region of my home country!! This is just a different region! And this was early on around April last year.

Interesting comments on this thread. Puts several things into a worldwide perspective.

been fine since

What does "fine" mean? Vietnam still have constant covid controls going on. Oppressive ones by our standards. They don't have care homes.
Their population pyramid is helpful, too.

Think the OP may be sleeping off a hangover. Very aggressive and illogical behaviour.

South Korea has a radically different attitude to data privacy compared to Europe. Hence their super track and trace. We couldn’t replicate that even if we wanted to because of GDPR.

There was a lot of speculation that many Asian countries had greater immunity due to previous exposure to different CVs that circulated there.

Japan is the really interesting one. They threw out the Covid response playbook and until recently were virtually unaffected.

[quote turnitonagain]@Em777 Japan and South Korea have four seasons like Europe and cold snowy winters. Both are regional ski holiday destinations. So I doubt vitamin D explains it.[/quote]
There is a modelling paper just published in nature scientific report showing direct correlation between start of second wave and latitude (actually the date when sun is too weak to induce vitamin d production) within the EU, suggesting a possible
role for vitamin d

Hasn't this already been said, about Japan or other Asian countries? Because their governments were more proactive, the population having a sense of collective responsibility, general obedience of social rules, etc etc. None of which exist in the UK, sadly.

It's not racist to say other countries are more compliant. Just getting people to wear masks over here is a drama.

Other countries have younger, slimmer populations than us. Age and weight are a contributing factor.

Because their governments were more proactive, the population having a sense of collective responsibility, general obedience of social rules, etc etc. None of which exist in the UK, sadly.

You clearly haven’t a clue how Japan responded.

They didn’t lockdown
They didn’t test (some of the lowest testing in the world)
Wfh was hit or miss (very anti their culture)
Older population living in densely packed areas.

It’s definitely worth investigating,

Am from India and extremely puzzled by how the country has recovered. Life is back to normal there though schools have not opened fully. Mask usage may be higher, but there is absolutely no social distancing. Putting it down to the younger population and warmer climate, but those can't be the only reasons.

A close relative lives in the far east. There have been measures like curfews and short lockdown, but two cultural things stand out. They were wearing masks from day 1 and bars/restaurant have a handwashing sink in the main area and everyone enters and washes their hands as a cultural norm.
There is very little obesity where my relative lives and plenty of vitamin d.

I suspect it is a combination of a large number of factors, behavioural, climatic, health/demographics/dietary and existing immunity.

Patterns of infection have even been linked to green tea intake
www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.23.20218479v2
www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20201208/Bioactive-tea-compounds-showing-potential-anti-SARS-CoV-2-activity.aspx

@Wilsonwilson

No its not racist to say Certain countries like China, S.Korea are more Compliant Op!

All that Poster is saying in Communist Countries like this,their Governments impose a rigorous Rules that their people have to obey,!
their people do not have a choice to decide they are just told what to do as part of their Communist Culture heritage !

Can you please read up on stuff infor about Communist Countries and how they these countries have handled Covid 19 !

As it makes you look stupid to make Judgements on issues you Clearly do not know fuck all about !

Do any of the countries that have got off lightly have the Kent variant
or similar?

They dont where my relative lives - they introduced strict quarantine on entry very early on.

@Wilsonwilson

Its a interesting thought Provoking thread Post idea Op
I just wish you had read up on stuff relating to other Countries and their handling of Covid 19 virus a lot more !

Plus I wish our Uk Gov would take note and listen and ask questions to other leaders in other countries which have tackled Covid 19 outbreak a lot better, such as Australia ,New Zealand and lceland , etc, they are not in and out of Lockdowns all the frigging Times like our Country is !

Almost half of deaths in Europe are in care homes. In much of Asia/Africa, people don’t live to care home age. Also younger people are in better health there - obesity is unknown in Vietnam/Korea/Japan but normalised in the U.K.

And of course, their lockdowns were much stricter with tight border controls

And of course, their lockdowns were much stricter with tight border controls

Except that Japan didn’t lockdown, for example.

@thosetalesofunexpected S Korea isn’t a communist country

Why have you come on to a public forum and asked a question and are then aggressively shouting down any one with a reply?

It is absolutely not racist to comment on differences in cultural norms. There ARE very clear differences in how the people of China responded to being tracked via their phones by their government, apartment buildings being welded shut to stop people leaving etc. There are countries who imposed far stricter draconian style lockdowns and their populations complied because they are have a different culture. Call it obedient or controlled/ higher social responsibility whatever.

Compare it to the fact the U.K. was asked politely to please wear masks in shops and we had widespread whining, not to mention people exercising their right to gather and protest against it.

Regardless of what you agree with or don’t agree with, or what you believe was impactful...the responses of governments AND their people.... vastly different. Not racist to say so. Just factual.

Other countries were more successful due to action taken:
Sticker lockdown
Quarantine in hotels for arrivals
No movement between areas
Better test and trace
Test when you had symptoms, rather than our approach in March of stay at home
Checking up on people isolating at home
Closing borders
There are massive differences between the way we responded and countries such as Singapore, HK, Taiwan, South Korea, China, Australia
I believe we are going to introduce hotel quarantine, China implanted this in March and HK back in Feb.

There was a documentary on TV the other day and the head of containment in South Korea said that they'd been properly preparing for this since SARS first emerged 15 years ago. Added to that is the fact they are used to dealing with China, they know what they're like, and as a result their full pandemic emergency response kicked in as soon as first news emerged from China. They didn't wait for China to admit it was spreading, or there was human to human contact.

By contrast Britain has dithered and delayed every step of the way. There has been no proactive leadership, just reactive chaos.

Did Japan implement border controls? Is it possible one of the new variants has managed to be carried there hence the recent increase in cases?

I have a relative who lives in Thailand and has done for over 20 years.

His view (and Thailand is another country as per your thread title, and this is purely his view before you leap on me to argue) is that:

• Thailand closed their borders early and effectively

• The few people who have come into the country have to do full quarantine

• There was a short, sharp effective full lockdown

• Alcohol sales were stopped

• Many nationals wore face masks already routinely when outside. Now everyone does

• As a nation (yes, stereotyping and clear exaggeration) the Thais do not tend to shake hands and hug as much as westerners. Less physical or close contact overall across society.

As a result his day to day life is currently not far off 'normal' although he has not been able to make his usual 3 monthly visits back to the UK.