Vaccine priority group 6 and high BMI

[ProbablyFault]

Does anyone know whether individuals with high BMI are included in vaccine priority group 6, and (if so) what the BMI cut off is? I'm looking into this for a family member, but struggling to find any official info. Thanks.

And amazing weight loss, Rowenasemolina

@Rowenasemolina

Another poster here that had gone from BMI of 40+ to BMI 25 during the Covid era.

Really, there is no excuse. I couldn’t be bothered to do anything about my obesity for decades, but that was a selfish luxury we no longer have.

Excepting people taking steroids, etc fir asthma, and other GENUINE medical reasons, it’s ridiculous that any of the population are still very obese.

Just lose the weight. That’s all. Just lose it.

How could anyone live with themselves taking a priority vaccination simply because they are fat?

That’s a horrible, judgemental attitude. You might want to consider where that line of thinking can take you in terms of treating people for conditions that lifestyle factors contribute too.

Well done in your weight loss but wow. Perhaps you lost come compassion along with the weight.

People who are more at risk of serious illness are counted as clinically vulnerable. Let’s not go down the route of shaming them for having a vaccine. Jesus Christ.

Shame there's no vaccine to protect against being a judgmental dickhead.

@FatCatThinCat

Shame there's no vaccine to protect against being a judgmental dickhead.

😄

I thought this thread might go this way, but I'm grateful for the helpful posts.

I think I probably need to talk to my GP. I have asthma but very mild and not on oral steroids so I don't count. I am a carer for dh and also have one SEN child and one suspected SEN but not registered as a carer with the surgery. All this stress has led to me putting on most of the weight I lost in the last couple of years . Not back to morbidly obese but close sadly.
I agree with the previous poster that once you reach morbidly obese it is incredibly difficult to lose it and even harder to keep it off.
Well done to those on the thread who have but at least one if posts was incredibly judgy.
They do say those who stop smoking are more judgy about people who still smoke and this snacjs of this.
I can't wait till my injury heals so I can get back exercising properly again.

@Northernsoulgirl45

I think I probably need to talk to my GP. I have asthma but very mild and not on oral steroids so I don't count. I am a carer for dh and also have one SEN child and one suspected SEN but not registered as a carer with the surgery. All this stress has led to me putting on most of the weight I lost in the last couple of years . Not back to morbidly obese but close sadly. I agree with the previous poster that once you reach morbidly obese it is incredibly difficult to lose it and even harder to keep it off. Well done to those on the thread who have but at least one if posts was incredibly judgy. They do say those who stop smoking are more judgy about people who still smoke and this snacjs of this. I can't wait till my injury heals so I can get back exercising properly again.

Registered carers are in group 6 too, btw

Northernsoulgirl45 you need to get onto the carers register at your GP surgery so that they can code you correctly into the recommended cohort for unpaid carers, which, according to JCVI, is Priority 6.

Vaccine stratification is done nationally, so although carers are in Priority 6 the surgeries mechanism for including carers in that cohort is via EMIS coding. So you need to be correctly coded.

That’s because people who have not been long term very obese don’t feel able to judge those that are, in case there is some genuine psychological block , delusion or compulsion that they don’t understand.

Those of us who have been long term morbidly obese know perfectly well that there is nothing to losing the weight except self discipline.

That’s it. That’s All it needs.

So having been in that situation myself, yes I can judge. I can judge myself for all those years, using no self discipline at all. And I can judge anyone else who, in a worldwide health emergency, still can’t be bothered to help themselves and the whole of society by doing the one thing within their power to increase their chances of surviving and recovering if they get ill

I judge them, and make no apology for that

I was BMI of 41 in March and dropped to 38 but have struggled since November and have gone back up to 39. I know it my own fault but I've always been a comfort eater and now whilst there is nothing to look forward to (along with perimenopause) I find I'm turning to food!
I'm planning to calorie count from tomorrow again so hopefully I'll get back to 38.

When do we anticipate they might start vaccinating group 6?

All the best @igiveup777 you can do it!

@Rowenasemolina and @MrsBlobby43, well done that’s quite an achievement!

With a BMI of over 40, you get a free flu jab each year. If you are registered for that, you will be in group 6, according to my GP.

@Rowenasemolina

Those of us who have been long term morbidly obese know perfectly well that there is nothing to losing the weight except self discipline.

Please don’t presume to speak for all long term morbidly obese people. I, for example, have binge eating disorder. It is not as simple as self-discipline - despite having done approximately a million diets and lost a LOT of weight a LOT of times.

Also - come back in a year or two and see how you’re doing then,

High BMI, specifially 40+, puts you in Group 6.

The table of who is in Group 6 is on p9-10 of the attached document.

Note that clinically vulnerable moderate asthmatics have been removed from this list (which has been distributed to GP surgeries), even though the Dept for Health say that was a mistake. See the charity Asthma UK's Twitter threads for more info. They are lobbying the Dept for Health to re-issue this chapter of the Green Book, but no joy yet.

Yeah sadly you see it with Slimming World etc. The number of success stories who return years later having regained the weight.

I'm not overweight. I don't judge people who are significantly overweight. I'm quite sure if it was a case of self discipline it wouldn't be so hard for people who desperately want to loose weight to do so.

Judging like this is nasty.

[quote PuzzledObserver]@Rowenasemolina

Those of us who have been long term morbidly obese know perfectly well that there is nothing to losing the weight except self discipline.

Please don’t presume to speak for all long term morbidly obese people. I, for example, have binge eating disorder. It is not as simple as self-discipline - despite having done approximately a million diets and lost a LOT of weight a LOT of times.

Also - come back in a year or two and see how you’re doing then,[/quote]
Quite. I have severe sleep apnea. When it's controlled I go down in weight, when it isn't I go up in weight. Nothing to do with self discipline.

@dubblebubble21

When do we anticipate they might start vaccinating group 6?

I would say beginning of April?

@Rowenasemolina

That’s because people who have not been long term very obese don’t feel able to judge those that are, in case there is some genuine psychological block , delusion or compulsion that they don’t understand.

Those of us who have been long term morbidly obese know perfectly well that there is nothing to losing the weight except self discipline.

That’s it. That’s All it needs.

So having been in that situation myself, yes I can judge. I can judge myself for all those years, using no self discipline at all. And I can judge anyone else who, in a worldwide health emergency, still can’t be bothered to help themselves and the whole of society by doing the one thing within their power to increase their chances of surviving and recovering if they get ill

I judge them, and make no apology for that

Your reason for being obese is not the same issue as other people. What you are saying is you have no concept of other mental health issues and conditions and will judge those people. You may have a weight in common with somebody that doesn’t mean you have the same reason for that weight or have any understanding of their mental health.

@MrsBlobby43 Wow that is amazing, I looked back on an old medical record and realised how much mine has changed. Can I ask how you managed to get yours down so much within less than a year, thankyou.

@Rowenasemolina

That’s because people who have not been long term very obese don’t feel able to judge those that are, in case there is some genuine psychological block , delusion or compulsion that they don’t understand.

Those of us who have been long term morbidly obese know perfectly well that there is nothing to losing the weight except self discipline.

That’s it. That’s All it needs.

So having been in that situation myself, yes I can judge. I can judge myself for all those years, using no self discipline at all. And I can judge anyone else who, in a worldwide health emergency, still can’t be bothered to help themselves and the whole of society by doing the one thing within their power to increase their chances of surviving and recovering if they get ill

I judge them, and make no apology for that

Complete and utter crap. Well done that you were fat because you had no self-control, and now you do. DO NOT assume that other people are like you, and do not rubbish medical and other reasons for obesity. The fact that you were fat and now are not does not give you the right to judge others. A shame you can't lose the nasty attitude by dieting, isn't it?

Does that mean if your BMI is under 40 but over 30 you wouldnt be listed as having an underlying health condition if you contract covid and sadly die from it. If I was 3 stone overweight I would have a BMI of 30 but would not have any higher risk from that weight, am I correct? Sorry just thinking about this.

@Jenasaurus

Does that mean if your BMI is under 40 but over 30 you wouldnt be listed as having an underlying health condition if you contract covid and sadly die from it. If I was 3 stone overweight I would have a BMI of 30 but would not have any higher risk from that weight, am I correct? Sorry just thinking about this.

You would have a higher risk with a BMI of 30 ..... but you would not be eligible for a vaccine until your turn by age or job role