Nurse DMIL refusing to get vaccinated

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NC'd for this.

MIL, nurse, works in the hospital as a trainer, however often does overtime etc on wards.

She's VERY into healthy eating, exercise, vegan, and has refused to get the jab. Said she believes in the bodies power to fight virus itself. Doesn't take paracetamol etc as fever is good for the body to kill infection (I sort of see her point here but she is dead against it whatever the situation). She will often tell us our local hospital is fine and they're are only 2 cases, then the same day I see reports in our local paper saying they have upwards of 30+ and climbing deaths, that beds are nearly up to capacity.

I am really disappointed in her. She trains upwards of 30+ HCP's every day, all of whom then obviously go back to the wards.

Can she actually refuse? Is there anything I can do?

Absolutely nothing you can do. Her body her choice.

Her employer may have a view though - if so, that’s between them.

My DD2 works in a Care Home. She is in the office, not a nurse or aide, but does have social contact with the patients. They have been told that ALL employees either take the shots or consider themselves fired. (She got the shot.)
DD2 works as a nurse at a private (church-based) school. She has contact with all the students and close contact with the sick ones. Her employer has told them it is up to them whether they get the shots or not. (She is not getting the shot.)
Why not wait and see what your MIL's employers say about it?

Loads of nurses are choosing not to have the vaccine. And?
Honestly this is turning into the dystopian nightmare I'd feared at the very beginning where people genuinely think they can remove consent and force others to do what they want.

Beware she works in the NHS where some vaccinations are already mandatory. Who knows if this will be added to that list at some point.

But chances are that she already has some mandatory vaccinations... or maybe her specific job doesn't require them. I don't know, but many NHS roles do.

Well speaking as a nurse I agree it's very frustrating, but I'm not really sure what you mean by 'can she actually refuse? Is there anything I can do'? Of course she can refuse, and no there's nothing you or anyone else can do about it. All you can say is you think her decision is disappointing given her profession and contact with vulnerable people.

Is there anything you can do? Bloody hell, how sinister.

I wonder if they will make it mandatory for some professions.

Is it proved it doesn’t stop transmission or is it that side wasn’t tested for and is now being tested by monitoring what happens when more people are vaccinated

Of course she can refuse. We're not quite in a state of losing our bodily autonomy to such a degree just yet! What can you do?

Mind your own bloody business!

Not much you can do OP her body her choice.

@GeorgiaGirl52 My DD2 works in a Care Home. She is in the office, not a nurse or aide, but does have social contact with the patients. They have been told that ALL employees either take the shots or consider themselves fired. (She got the shot.)
Are you in the U.K.? Pretty sure that is discrimination.

Her body, her choice.

It's not for you to do anything.

Why on earth would you think you can even ask that question? Are you prone to wanting to force people to have their bodies invaded against their will?

Is there anything you can do? Yes mind your own business and stop trying to think up a way to control another's body. If her employer has an issue with her refusal then it's up to them to deal with it - why do you think it's your concern? These covid threads get weirder and weirder by the day, like some kind of collective insanity is taking hold.

Her body. Her business. Yabu.

Of course she can refuse, and no there's nothing you can do

@GeorgiaGirl52 you sound like you're in the US. We dont have mandatory vaccinations in the UK and any employer trying to force them could find themselves in a lot of trouble. Even the NHS has to be careful.

OP, MYOB. You have no hold over your MIL body.

Of course she can refuse - are you for real?

And no, you can't do anything. We all have a right to decide what goes into our bodies.

If course she can refuse, and no you can't do anything about it.

It's up to her employer to decide if she needs to be moved to other duties based on an actual risk assessment (eg away from the most vulnerable patients)

What can you do? You can extricate your nose from someone else's business.
Seriously!

I will have the vaccine, some close family members won't, all making the choice we feel is right for us.

@FrangipaniBlue

it does stop you getting it and carrying on working if you are asymptotic.

Eh? No, you can still catch it and pass it on and if you've had the vaccine you're MORE LIKELY TO BE ASYMPTOMATIC and therefore carrying on working!

Honestly, the logic some people come up with

No, because a lot of the time you now won’t catch it at all. When you don’t catch it you can’t pass it on.

We don’t know yet it’s impact on symptomatic or asymptomatic transmission.

Once they’ve done some more research, and and if they find the vaccine does reduce the chance of passing it on, it may be a different matter.

@Busygoingblah the vaccine does not stop you catching covid, that's not how vaccines work.

It stops you getting sick from Covid, if and when you catch it.

[quote FrangipaniBlue]@Busygoingblah the vaccine does not stop you catching covid, that's not how vaccines work.

It stops you getting sick from Covid, if and when you catch it.[/quote]
I’ve seen this several times and I’d like to understand what people mean by it. More specifically, what does “catching” Covid mean?

To me it means that the virus gets into the cells in your nose and throat and multiplies, and while it’s there, you are breathing it out and can infect other people.

Whereas “not catching it” means that any viral particles you breathe in don’t get into your cells, or they get killed off before they can multiply. So you’re not manufacturing more virus which could infect other people.

If you’ve “caught it” by this definition, you can potentially pass it on, whether you have symptoms or not. If you haven’t “caught it”, you can’t.

What isn’t clear yet is whether vaccines reduce the likelihood you will “catch it”, or only that you show symptoms.

Does anyone know if I’ve got that right?

@Greysparkles

That is all true, but she could pass it on to someone and kill them

The vaccine doesn't stop that scenario happening

You’ll have evidence of this claim?

I am really disappointed in her. She trains upwards of 30+ HCP's every day, all of whom then obviously go back to the wards.

Can she actually refuse? Is there anything I can do?

FFS mind your own business. "Disappointed in her"

COVID has certainly brought out the interfering busybodies

It's none of your business. We don't get to be disappointed in people for making choices for their own body.

@PuzzledObserver it's been stated that that they aren't aware if people can still transmit it. However it's highly likely they can, just that if you've been vaccinated you will have mild symptoms of likely be asymptomatic.