AIBU to think that these are the areas where people are ignoring lockdown

[desperadochilli]

Just 31 councils have a rising covid rate, I guess people aren't doing lockdown as effectively in those areas

How thick must you have to be to not realise by now that this virus spreads around the country in waves. An area that has a low rate one month may have a high rate the next. People that point fingers at inhabitants of whole cities and towns declaring them rule breakers are beyond pathetic. Strangely they usually go missing when rates in their own towns increase

@Butiwantto

Redditch and others have higher rates due to outbreaks at local prisons or care homes etc - don’t be so quick to jump to conclusions

Everywhere has care homes !

Thanks for the link OP.

I think it's more likely to be the new, more highly infectious, variant, spreading its way across the country.

It was first identified in Kent, and from looking at the interactive map most days, you could see that the rate went up massively in Kent first, then it gradually spread across East Sussex, then West Sussex and north into London. The rates in those areas have been falling steadily for a couple of weeks now.

[quote Ponoka7]@desperadochilli, so if you don't want people out and about, how do we keep essential shops/services going? How do we access appointments/shopping/carryout support bubbles/get exercise etc?[/quote]
Yep, god forbid there are - gasp - people on the roads!

My cousin is a carer. Probably does 7 or 8 drives in a day. Most of the staff at my local Lidl and Aldi drive to work as both are on an industrial estate. Lorry drivers drive their own cars to the depot. Doctors and nurses are on the roads 24/7 for shift changes. I drove to the supermarket, alone, earlier.

Every thread seems to have some smuggo who was not shielding but hasn't been in a supermarket or further than their back gate since March. Bully for you, here's your gold star, but here in my town in Wiltshire there aren't enough slots for 35,000 people's worth of home deliveries and I chose to leave some for the vulnerable, single parents, etc.

Not to mention that I have a few friends who didn't drive for 4 months and their cars wouldn't start. I would have been screwed if I didn't use mine occasionally and it failed to start when DS had an emergency GP appointment 14 miles away at 10pm.

Everywhere has care homes !

Yes, but some areas have a lot more than others. The SE has the highest number of any region, and East Sussex has an unusually high proportion of very elderly residents, presumably because of the high number of care homes in places like Eastbourne and Bexhill.

@Iremembertheelderlykoreanlady

I'm not surprised to see Leicester on that list. They've never been out of lockdown/tier 3 not even last summer.

I imagine a lot of people there who were following the rules before have just said "fuck it" now. Feel really sorry for them tbh

They weren’t in a proper lockdown over the summer. I know people who live there and they were able to travel outside of Leicester to go on holiday within the rules. They were able to meet friends in restaurants within the rules. That’s not lockdown, they had slightly higher restrictions than other areas of England - they weren’t able to sit in gardens for example. There were higher restrictions in Wales for much of the time, where you weren’t allowed to meet people from other households in restaurants even during summer.

Some people are not following the rules yes, but there are also variables that can affect numbers

I have relatives who live in a former mining village, semi rural, a very small place, as many ex mining villages are. I looked up the relatives postcode on the postcode map for them, and there was an absolutely massive spike, really shocking, of cases for this tiny place. Far higher than nearby rural towns. But as it turned out, the reason was that there are two large care homes for the elderly. This is what had caused the spike in infections and deaths in that postcode area

*should have said nearby urban towns not rural

I'm sorry but I wouldn't trust a site like Covid Messenger.

The best way to look if places are increasing/decreasing is by looking at the map on covid dashboard.

Most people are sticking to the rules...only reasons why these are increasing is possibly because London/South East was two weeks ahead of everyone.

Most of the places on that list like Barnsley, Leicester, Redcar, South Holland, Solihull etc are only increasing by less than 10%. It means these cases are just peaking and due to go down this week.

...and of course with it being an ex mining area, a lot of those men in the care homes with the massive spike in deaths would have been former miners and so many would have had lung problems due to the nature of their job. Infact some of the places on your list are former mining areas. Sad when you think about it, and no fault of their own

Our town seems to believe Covid doesn’t exist

I know one of those areas very well. Their rates have been dropping significantly for a while, and have never been comparatively that high. The data is showing an increase at the moment, due to a large number of cases within the prison, nothing at all to do with community spread or lockdown compliance.
Far too simplistic to draw your conclusions from that snapshot, please at least try to apply some critical thinking.

Just 31 councils have a rising covid rate, I guess people aren't doing lockdown as effectively in those areas
These areas might be rising but some of the areas with the highest infection rates in the country aren't on there. (e.g. Sandwell and Wolverhampton - the 3rd & 4th highest rates in the country).
Those with the highest rates may be the areas where people aren't following lockdown effectively?
Maybe areas are rising because the newer UK virus is more contagious?
Maybe 2m social distancing isn't enough?

It's difficult to attribute a cause without knowledge of the local area.

Yeah. Let's lock em up

@silverstarfish that's not entirely correct. In Leicester we were able to go as a household to a restaurant or indoor location after they reopened in August but we were not allowed under the rules to socialise with another household in any indoor location, including restaurants or in private gardens.

That didn't stop some people from doing it but it wasn't permitted under the local lockdown rules.

The first time we were allowed to socialise with another household in gardens was when the tiers were introduced, when for a very small window in October we were allowed to have people round to the garden while we were tier 3.

Yep the UK is so huge that as soon as you skip over the border from one council to another, the culture completely changes

YABU to post this outside the Coronavirus topic, where all crying over people "ignoring lockdown" should be quarantined.

Some posts are just a new level of stupid! 🙄

More people are allowed to work this time than last lockdown. My DH is an architect and he’s in the office 2 weeks a month, they work on a rota. More teachers are needed this time because more kids are going to school too. More shops open for click and collect than last lockdown. Fast food and coffee shops are open this time. Also think there’s more people out and about in general, the roads were totally dead during the last lockdown. People use the bubble rules to justify seeing their friends or family too.

Yani
Could be many factors- houses where multiple generations live in confined space, lack of language based information about the Lockdown, fear of financial hardships, factory and other careers where WFH is impossible, care homes, aged population, lack of access to individual covid and non-covud healthcare, lack of vaccines either because they've not had them delivered or due to fear in some communities.

To just suggest everyone in those boroughs is a covidiot is daft

One of those is near me- It is actually a very small week on week difference following a big drop and is to do with a big outbreak in a postal depot..could happen anywhere...

Yeah I can't speak for most of those places but I can definitely believe Barnsley. I live in a city nearby and that place (the people) really is something else.

@Pinkpig234

I'm sorry but I wouldn't trust a site like Covid Messenger.

The best way to look if places are increasing/decreasing is by looking at the map on covid dashboard.

Most people are sticking to the rules...only reasons why these are increasing is possibly because London/South East was two weeks ahead of everyone.

Most of the places on that list like Barnsley, Leicester, Redcar, South Holland, Solihull etc are only increasing by less than 10%. It means these cases are just peaking and due to go down this week.

I absolutely trust CovidMessenger. If you have any questions whatsoever about the methodology, you can message @littleowl1 who frequents the Data, Stats and Daily Numbers thread on this board as they are responsible for it.

I know members of my family are ignoring it... cause they've 'all had COVID so are immune now'

This is not only my family but work colleagues too are open about Going in other family members house and all hanging about all day the under guise of 'childcare bubbles', travelling across regions for nonsense reasons (keeping vague as you never know) to full on birthday parties (all socially distanced of course - like that is legal)

Some of the difference in numbers are so small that they could easily be related to isolated outbreaks in places where large amounts of people are working in close proximity but within the guidelines - prisons, factory’s etc

Certain areas of the country have more people working in manufacturing and food processing etc. They do not have the privilege of being able to work from home.

My local area has a high rate because I live within walking distance of a prison. The cases are literally locked up inside and I don’t think that has much of an impact on my likelihood of catching covid in the local shop.