Rising sense of panic

[ASchuylerSister]

Does anyone else feel like this?

I was following the virus in China on Twitter from Jan 20 so I was glad to lockdown in March. I admit I was naive to the knock on effects on the economy and people’s mental health.

This third lockdown has knocked me for six. I’ve got a rising sense of panic. The affect on mental health, education, the economy. I just can’t see an end in sight anymore.

I feel so selfish and self centred as there’s plenty of people in a worse off position than me but I feel like I’m drowning.

I’m normally a half glass full kind of person and see the best in every situation but all I see is bleakness right now.

we will find out soon enough i suppose

There is no simple answer of "let's throw this demographic under the bus to save me/nhs/economy"

The person who other want to push under the bus are always going feel worthless and a society burden and that is another reason so many of us feel so shitty right now.

It's like Stephen King's The Stand meets the hunger games. Except it's not fiction. It's real and we all in this, living it.

I just dont to read this book and be the character who pushes the kid, Oap, whoever's the bus so I get that ICU bed.

well it could all do with a good shake up anyway....benefits system included

@Baileysforchristmas

Do you know what scares me about this one, they want to vaccinate the worlds adult population, which they have never worried about before, than it dawned on me tonight, they are worried about variants popping up and being more contagious and deadly, which they have never worried about before, it makes me think this has come from a lab and it’s far worse than they are letting on.

I think there is some chance this did indeed escape from that Wuhan lab. I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but it’s odd at this point that the origin has not been pinned down. The Chinese seemed to know an awful lot about it in a very short period of time.

Littlewhitedove2

Don’t worry, Hazelnutlatteplease mentioned she homeschooled her dc’s so obviously she thinks we should all be thrilled to do that for evermore.
It’s an obvious case of “I’m alright Jack” (or maybe misery likes company depending on which way you look at it).

Anyho my dd could always be a pole dancer. It's for the greater good after all right. Plus shake up the benefits how else would she get by.

That how they do it in Thailand with extremely limited benefits. Plus if you cant offord uniform no schooling. Win win!

You haven’t a clue if you think that will feasibly happen. The government knows, in fact have stated, that getting children back to school is an absolute priority so do bore off with your miserable, throwing children and parents under the bus agenda.

I know kids can learn remotely and millions do for all sorts of reasons across the world.

I know the people have died purely due to the government commitment to keep schools open December.

The biggest problem is society confusing schooling with childcare. Childcare cannot happen at home, learning can. So yes women and let's face it is its women are being thrown under the bus. Because they need the childcare, and while school has provided it we as a society haven't really though much about properly valuing raising children.

Boris commitment to schools is admirable. but when the magic money tree stops growing money, nhs, schooling, furlough vaccines, have to be paid for. We need the economy to do this. Quicker than we really need schools.

It wouldn't be the first uturn Boris has had to do because of a rash commitment. The back pedalling has already started. if they vaccinate teachers early (which I think they might do)and keep or improve the rate of vaccination I'm betting on a return after the may half term. Easter might happen but I doubt it. We can get through this.

personally I'd rather see police and all medical personnel done first. And more information on long covid in kids and other young people.

If you think schools should stay closed because you wish to limit the spread of covid this way, I take it you don’t want kids all over our museums, libraries and galleries either, or where else should they do their learning outside of the home?

If you get people universally wearing masks some of this place may be able to open in limited capacity/booking. I suspect we will also see innovations in the filtration systems of air conditionering systems (not terribly economic before much more sensible now). No good for DS but good for most non vulnerable kids. Even DS homelearning was visiting entirely outside sites September to November (masked and hand sanitized). Although most he learning is still done at home.

serious question tho, how long do you think we can go without kids getting an education?
All things being well I think the kids will definitely be back September. (All things not being well they will be back one week on one week off). They will possibly be back after may if everything goes really well which I think it might. If they get the kids back after easter we will probably need another serious lockdown by June. February I'll eat my hat if it happens.

How can you come onto a thread about feeling like crap and then feel even worse? Only on MN 😂

I'm off to look at the starting age of the sex trade in Thailand. I think its twelve so again, every one is winner. No education needed and no return to school. All my kids should old enough before schools reopen in 2030.

Sarcastic.

@Hazelnutlatteplease

You haven’t a clue if you think that will feasibly happen. The government knows, in fact have stated, that getting children back to school is an absolute priority so do bore off with your miserable, throwing children and parents under the bus agenda.

I know kids can learn remotely and millions do for all sorts of reasons across the world.

I know the people have died purely due to the government commitment to keep schools open December.

The biggest problem is society confusing schooling with childcare. Childcare cannot happen at home, learning can. So yes women and let's face it is its women are being thrown under the bus. Because they need the childcare, and while school has provided it we as a society haven't really though much about properly valuing raising children.

Boris commitment to schools is admirable. but when the magic money tree stops growing money, nhs, schooling, furlough vaccines, have to be paid for. We need the economy to do this. Quicker than we really need schools.

It wouldn't be the first uturn Boris has had to do because of a rash commitment. The back pedalling has already started. if they vaccinate teachers early (which I think they might do)and keep or improve the rate of vaccination I'm betting on a return after the may half term. Easter might happen but I doubt it. We can get through this.

personally I'd rather see police and all medical personnel done first. And more information on long covid in kids and other young people.

If you think schools should stay closed because you wish to limit the spread of covid this way, I take it you don’t want kids all over our museums, libraries and galleries either, or where else should they do their learning outside of the home?

If you get people universally wearing masks some of this place may be able to open in limited capacity/booking. I suspect we will also see innovations in the filtration systems of air conditionering systems (not terribly economic before much more sensible now). No good for DS but good for most non vulnerable kids. Even DS homelearning was visiting entirely outside sites September to November (masked and hand sanitized). Although most he learning is still done at home.

serious question tho, how long do you think we can go without kids getting an education?
All things being well I think the kids will definitely be back September. (All things not being well they will be back one week on one week off). They will possibly be back after may if everything goes really well which I think it might. If they get the kids back after easter we will probably need another serious lockdown by June. February I'll eat my hat if it happens.

How do your children socialise in larger peer groups (in person not through a screen)? How do they interact, show respect and learn from new and unfamiliar adults and adults in authority (other than parents and family members)? Do you and your partner (if you have one) work?

People who are worried that the government knows this won’t end - think about it, why have they spent so much money pre-buying vaccines? Why are they spending so much money emptiest getting as many people vaccinated as possible? It’s because they know that vaccines are the way out of this. Not tomorrow, but not that far away now.

If the virus mutates to a strain that the vaccines are less effective for, they can tweak the vaccines. This happens with flu every year.

Pandemics always end, and people have lived alongside infectious diseases much nastier than this one for most of human history without giving up on all social contact forever. This is not the End Times. It feels shit because it’s January and it’s dark and we’re all so sick of lockdown now, but please, don’t decide that long nights + Boris looking bleak mean you must now abandon all hope of real life ever coming back.

I know the people have died purely due to the government commitment to keep schools open December.

You know this? Can you give a source for this fact?

@Robbybobtail

Don’t worry, Hazelnutlatteplease mentioned she homeschooled her dc’s so obviously she thinks we should all be thrilled to do that for evermore.
Not really.

Weve done or investigated learning every which way so we're not so entrenched in the idea that schooling is only possible in school.

an obvious case of “I’m alright Jack”
Yes if you consider keeping safe a medically extremely vulnerable young teen through a global pandemic easy sailing I guess you could say that...

Boris commitment to schools is admirable. but when the magic money tree stops growing money, nhs, schooling, furlough vaccines, have to be paid for. We need the economy to do this. Quicker than we really need schools.

The "magic money tree" as you call it can keep "growing money" pretty much as long as the government wants. The government can keep borrowing more and more money. It doesn't just suddenly run out. What runs out is the public's appetite to pay it back.

I have days where I'm ok then days when I think oh no this isn't going to end.

I think things will get better in the spring 🤞

Boris commitment to schools is admirable
Its not to schools, its to childcare, and its to keep the lowest paid workers in work to keep the country going. Supermarkets, delivery drivers, you get my drift. Not education
. but when the magic money tree stops growing money, nhs, schooling, furlough vaccines, have to be paid for. We need the economy to do this. Quicker than we really need schools
Gyms , aquaaerobics nor zoos will open the economy.
Although most he learning is still done at home. (sic) I know kids can learn remotely and millions do for all sorts of reasons across the world
Many have to because they have no other choice. They only have access to a couple of hours of online learning, the rest of the time they need t work to feed their family. Or they have no schools in the immediate area. It's certainly not because they prioritise mask and hand sanitised visits to Jeff the Giraffe, When does he interact with other kids in a social setting? Because thats massively important
I suspect we will also see innovations in the filtration systems of air conditionering systems (not terribly economic before much more sensible now). No good for DS but good for most non vulnerable kids
As a country we cant even provide devices and decent internet

What runs out is the public's appetite to pay it back.

Or inflation. But this is meant to be a positive thread.

They only have access to a couple of hours of online learning, the rest of the time they need t work to feed their family.

You do realise even in this country we have a thriving full time online (private) schools?

I think I’ve made my peace with the situation, I’ve excepted that the days are going to be long and grey filled with mind rotting tv, too much too eat and way too much booze. The papers will pour out doom and gloom, but so what. I’ve had it, I’m out. Maybe one day we will emerge into the sunlight up lands, or maybe I’ll start coughing. I. Don’t. Care

I’ve written a letter to my family making sure that they will be financially ok, and that’s what makes me happy

@Hazelnutlatteplease

They only have access to a couple of hours of online learning, the rest of the time they need t work to feed their family.

You do realise even in this country we have a thriving full time online (private) schools?

There is absolutely nothing thriving (relating to the child’s well-being) about online schools. Private or otherwise. In any case, how is that relevant? You can’t compare private school to state school where the vast majority of this countries kids go???

I’m very sorry about your son, that must be hard and extremely stressful at a time like this - however you must understand that non-vulnerable children need to be back in school ASAP. Not just for the sake of learning but a whole other host of reasons : I.e. their parents needing to work to keep the economy going. Mental health issues arising from this for both children and parents which we are already seeing in swathes? The repercussions of almost a year of very little education (don’t forget parents who wfh or have to go out to work throughout this and cannot feasibly homeschool at the same time.) Not to mention the poor kids who will be in abusive home/have parents who really don’t give a shit about home schooling or even giving them a decent meal.

Just because you can do it doesn’t mean everyone else is able to.

That was to Hazelnutlatte

Littlewhitedove2 I hear you and agree with you .

You do realise even in this country we have a thriving full time online (private) schools?
You do realise that at least one parent has to be fully present for them to interact fully with these educational wonders? And that clearly they cant be if the have to wfh or elsewhere as well as support their children?
You do realise that many dont have a device or enough data to access these educational wonders?
You do realise that children need other children and its not just about learning - online or otherwise
You do realise that no zoo, museum, mask wearing, alcohol gel rubbing visit to anywhere can replace schools?

There is a reason why kids MH is being affected massively right now, and they cant work out at a gym cause they need fun. fun ffs

And you can’t compare the choice to use private online schools with the imposed remote learning children are doing at the moment.

There is absolutely nothing thriving (relating to the child’s well-being) about online schools.
I got to say the kids I've known who have gone to them would disagree. Vehemently.

You can’t compare private school to state school where the vast majority of this countries kids go???

Also big difference between a private school that is currently operating online And the online schools that are set up as online schools.