Highest number of daily deaths today, beating the previous record from yesterday

[StealthPolarBear]

I suppose we knew this was coming but it is incredibly worrying and depressing

[quote Sparklingbrook]@Kazzyhoward of course I realise, no need to be patronising. My point was imagine if it was more than Christmas Day that mixing was allowed that's all. Blimey.[/quote]
And remember Tier 4 areas weren't allowed to mix at all at Christmas. So also imagine how much worse it would have been if they did.

Actually I think the reason why numbers in the original tier 4 areas have dropped significantly (I know they are still high, but they have rapidly dropped when 7-day averages are compared) is because Christmas Day mixing didn’t happen in the numbers that people think it did. People did stick to the rules by and large. It’s really easy to blame rule breaking, but the timescales for London and the south east look much more like schools breaking up being the factor that has brought rates down again

There are very many cases that aren’t being tested so we need to hear that in mind.

@DfEisashambles

There are very many cases that aren’t being tested so we need to hear that in mind.

Unless there is a sigificant change in the numbers of people not getting tested that shouldn't change the direction of change.

ONS and other population sample testing covers that fact although I don't think it's as up to date as the daily reporting

@luckylavender

Cases are actually falling nearly everywhere

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@Kazzyhoward

So the people who are dying brought it upon themselves? I thought it was still mainy the over 80s and care homes residents dying who I don't suppose were out ignoring the rules

No, it doesn't work like that. The more people who were socialising etc meant there were more chains of infection, i.e. they in turn infected more people, many of whom would have been following the rules themselves, such as care home residents, hospital patients, etc. I.e. the people close to the vulnerable were more likely to have caught it by not following the rules, not the vulnerable themselves.

Yes to this.
We followed the rules. Wr didn't see anyone not even briefly and DH went back to work and caught it. Apparently someone threw a NY party and it ripped through work infecting others who didn't party or mix.

Well Christmas mixing was a great idea wasn't it?! What the hell is so special about Christmas that it needed to take place? We're not even a religious country?

Is this definitely Christmas mixing though? We’re only just a month off from schools breaking up. Date of death is different to reported date.

I think it’s spreading like wild fire in work places . Especially on construction sites. It just isn’t possible to socially distance plus workers sharing vans etc. Patrick was on sky news saying the restrictions just don’t go far enough .

@ThornAmongstRoses

We have more knowledge about the virus than we did last year. We wear masks, we socially distance, we follow lockdowns and bubbles guidances, we have better hospital treatments YET we are still seeing such horrific death rates even worse than last year.

It’s terrifying.

Yes this. Clearly none of it works. Why aren't the government changing strategy.

FYI .... I have no idea what would work mind you.

@NextWinter

Remember there is also a lag between the people dying and the cases being reported, so this data is about 5 days behind.

One day last week deaths were being reported from October and one as far back as May.

The graph for people in hospital lahs behind the graph of daily new cases by a bit over a week, and the graph for daily deaths lags behind the hospital graph by a similar amount. As they all share a similar approximate shape we can do a crude forecast of the future path of hospital cases and deaths by comparison with the shape of the cases graph, which has now peaked. This suggests that we are near to the peak for hospital cases but are not quite there yet. We are nowhere near the peak for daily deaths. That is going to climb much higher before it peaks as the people dying now were infected before the latest lot of restrictions.