70-80% of mild or asymptomatic Covid infected people have lung scarring

[EnemyOfEducationNo1]

And also some show changes to heart tissue, and circulation system.
It is not enough to just look at how "low risk* an age group is for risk of death.
twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1350612735860600841?s=19

Yep. This was in the data that was coming out of Wuhan nearly a year ago. Mild isn't necessarily an accurate description

www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.12.20173526v1 This seems to disagree.

I suppose it depends how you categorise mild
A friend would say she has a fairly mild experience of COVID but still required oxygen therapy in hospital for about a week. But she was fairly ok in herself during that time.
So she would fall inthe cohort who had scarring despite her feeling like she had a fairly mild case.

@Northernsoulgirl45

I suppose it depends how you categorise mild A friend would say she has a fairly mild experience of COVID but still required oxygen therapy in hospital for about a week. But she was fairly ok in herself during that time. So she would fall inthe cohort who had scarring despite her feeling like she had a fairly mild case.

70-80% of ALL mild or asymptomatic.

@WalrusWife

www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.12.20173526v1 This seems to disagree.

Was going to post this too. Vast majority resolved within 12 weeks

I believe it heals itself relatively quickly though? And most lung infections cause temporary damage, don't they?

@TopBants

I believe it heals itself relatively quickly though? And most lung infections cause temporary damage, don't they?

This Also if you have lung scarring but no symptoms and dont even notice you have it, why does it matter? The term "lung scarring" sounds scary and permanent, but it's not.

If it's not causing any problems then I'm not worried about this at all. I had pneumonia a year ago which caused scarring. It heals. If youre asymptotic then the scarring isnt causing any problems.

I read this with some worry the other day - then here was a reddit thread where a lot of medics queried this, saying the pictures were taken during an active infection, and possibly of different aged patients with different spines. They said that lots of lung infections do this damage anyway but it usually heals over time, and they've seen many patients fully recover over time after having lungs like these from Covid. They also pointed out that people being xrayed in hospital tended to already be ill in some way, which meant that its harder to apply findings on to a general population.

Meanwhile they have had to discount using xray as a diagnostic tool because so many people with Covid at all levels of severity seemed to have clear lungs instead.

I mean, I'm still personally terrified of catching it, think that long-Covid sounds horrible, and am open to any expert here contradicting all this, but it comforted me a bit.

(Also, some posters on reddit feel that the asymptomatic stories are being emphasised to try and make a deeply uncompliant US population take note and start wearing masks.)

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-can-seriously-damage-the-heart-study-suggests-12027402

So, someone on Twitter posts a series of scaremongering posts, without a link to a peer reviewed medical journal and your first thought is to assume it's true?

Why are all these asymptotic people getting x-rays during a pandemic?

Stop believing everything you read on the Internet. Proper medical write in medical journals, not Twitter.

I would imagine most asymptomatic people wouldn't ever have a covid test (you can only get a gov test if you have symptoms), so how can they know the long term effects on asymptomatic cases?

@SuperHighway

I would imagine most asymptomatic people wouldn't ever have a covid test (you can only get a gov test if you have symptoms), so how can they know the long term effects on asymptomatic cases?

I presume they’re looking at people who were tested routinely or as part of a study.

Autocorrection of asymptomatic to asymptotic always makes me do a double take

OP I have seen quite a few threads started by you in this topic over the last couple of days. Are you struggling with things right now, or are you trying to get a particular point across?

How do they know asymptomatic people have lung damage - by definition they won't be going into hospital unless they have something else wrong with them.

Also, smoking causes lung damage but the body fixes it to a large degree if you stop young enough.

All the scaremongering about health issues on here gets very tedious (not just about covid but other things like chicken pox). Go and indulge yourself on Hypochondriacs R Us or something.

scarring on the lungs puts you at higher risk of developing copd later in life.
and no, scarring does not always heal completely.

@redcandlelight

scarring on the lungs puts you at higher risk of developing copd later in life. and no, scarring does not always heal completely.

The majority of the time it does though. The human body is good like that. It's how our species has survived this long.

How do they know? Has every single person had a lung X ray and antibody test? Because I haven't...

The majority of the time it does though.

That's a meaningless statement especially if you're talking about a very large number as a small proportion is still a large number.

Findings from a small study done in Germany:

100 patients recently recovered from COVID-19 identified from a COVID-19 test center, cardiac magnetic resonance imaging revealed cardiac involvement in 78 patients (78%) and ongoing myocardial inflammation in 60 patients (60%), which was independent of preexisting conditions, severity and overall course of the acute illness, and the time from the original diagnosis.

jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768916

Small study of symptomatic patients (not all hospitalised) still concerning and needs further investigation. One of my middle aged colleagues who had Covid-19 at home now has cardiac problems with no prior history.

I would be wary of anything that Dr Ding posts, his posts are full of hyperbole and he has been criticised by a few epidemiologists and virologists (Dr Ding's field is nutritional epidemiology). Clearly someone who is loving the social media attention/following he is getting though.

www.timeshighereducation.com/news/who-qualifies-real-expert-when-it-comes-coronavirus

www.chronicle.com/article/this-harvard-epidemiologist-is-very-popular-on-twitter-but-does-he-know-what-hes-talking-about/

mobile.twitter.com/angie_rasmussen/status/1250240307037233153?lang=en-gb

[quote CoffeeandCroissant]I would be wary of anything that Dr Ding posts, his posts are full of hyperbole and he has been criticised by a few epidemiologists and virologists (Dr Ding's field is nutritional epidemiology). Clearly someone who is loving the social media attention/following he is getting though.

www.timeshighereducation.com/news/who-qualifies-real-expert-when-it-comes-coronavirus

www.chronicle.com/article/this-harvard-epidemiologist-is-very-popular-on-twitter-but-does-he-know-what-hes-talking-about/

mobile.twitter.com/angie_rasmussen/status/1250240307037233153?lang=en-gb[/quote]
Yep. I particularly disliked the "pssst pass it on" part of the tweet.

I don't know that lung scarring is temporary. I had a very bad dose of flu in my 30s leading to chest infection that lasted months. I developed asthma and bronchiectasis in my 50s and rheumatoid arthritis which was all blamed on that lung infection.

I had serious pneumonia in my 20s which was caused by an URTI that spread. It was serious enough to put me in HDU with little lung capacity and requiring cpap. I had scarring on lungs and it was over a year before I stopped feeling breathless on exertion, I’m totally find now