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U.K. enforced quarantine

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Oaktree55 · 17/01/2021 01:40

Wow given how reliant U.K. is on foreign investment etc never thought they’d introduce managed quarantine but apparently they are. I know some will say good but this will decimate huge part of U.K. economy 😱, they’ll have to keep in place for a long time too (NZ have indicated 18 months -2years). Blimey the implications are huge.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 17/01/2021 14:13

Thank you, everything, that was very informative (though the "phylogenetic tree" thing has blown my mind!!)

At a layperson's level this hekps in understanding the distinction between mutations and variants, but doesn't negate the point that while facts may or may not be settled, a lot can be done with the presentation of them - and while I'm not "trying to imply that there is nothing special about these variants", a recognition that they may present additional risk leads to even greater surprise that little's being said about our approach if the vaccines prove insufficiently effective

everythingthelighttouches · 17/01/2021 15:59

Well I think, in answer to your question puzzled about why isn’t anyone talking about what happens if the vaccines are less effective- we’ve only just discovered this.

Like last month.

Until December, I think everyone thought we had a bit more time. Until December, it was changing (mutating) quite slowly.

The variant first discovered in the U.K., so far looks like it won’t affect vaccine efficacy.

The variant first found in South Africa and the variant first found in Brazil (simultaneously discovered in travellers from Japan) both contain an additional mutation which may lead to some reduced vaccine efficacy but probably nothing too dreadful.

The vaccines cause your body to produce a range of antibodies that bind to lots of different sites on the “spike protein”. So even if a site changes, the vaccines should still work.

It was always known that, eventually, the vaccines would need to be tweaked to adjust for new variants which were so different that existing vaccines were no longer efficacious enough.

We also know how to do it. We have better systems than ever before.

We know that the new vaccines allow this to be done extremely quickly (particularly the RNA vaccines). We’re talking weeks. Manufacture is a bigger problem ( more like months to get new vaccines manufactured and safety tested).

So it’s not necessarily these three variants (UK, SA, Brazil) that are a problem for vaccines per se , but it is the rate at which they’ve appeared, independently, and with so many mutations all in one go, arriving at similar changes.

To be honest, there’s not a lot that can be said right now and we still need to learn so much more.

We can’t know which new variants will arise, what they will look like and how much they will reduce vaccine efficacy. The possibilities are endless. The virus certainly has the upper hand there.

What we can do is up modelling, our surveillance, reduce transmission ( because more transmission = more opportunity to mutate) and get ready to act.

notimagain · 17/01/2021 16:18

@XenoBitch

I agree, charges should be very high as well so as to put people off going on holiday.

Not everyone flying is going on holiday. Some are trying to visit family.

XenoBitch..You're right. Far too many people think everybody boarding an aircraft is going to or from a holiday.. Hmm might be the case at some airports but it sure as heck isn't at many...

You might find this interesting...

www.statista.com/statistics/468027/travel-purpose-trends-at-london-heathrow-airport/

IrmaFayLear · 17/01/2021 16:34

This whataboutery has to stop.

Hardly anyone’s travel is essential. These are perilous times and it is crucial to prevent other variants, in particular the Brazilian one, getting a real foothold here.

Visiting family is not an essential reason. My (only) family is abroad and I accept that travelling to visit is not vital at this point. They were interviewing people at Buenos Aires airport and reasons for flying to UK were “visiting family” and “visiting girlfriend”. Just no!

And anyone “stuck” abroad... did they miss the news at that there was a pandemic? If you’ve travelled after March 2020 then it’s your own fault if you are quarantined upon return or marooned abroad.

Pastanred · 17/01/2021 16:42

only sage had mentioned this

Raab has specifically just said abut tests before travel and isolating for 10/5 days

No way will uk bring hotel isolation in - never gonna happen

RhubarbTea · 17/01/2021 18:00

@FlyMyPrettiesFly

I think we just need to accept that the economy is absolute fucked, on scale we probably haven’t seen before. I’m not sure many people are really that switched on to how bad it’s going to get.
I completely agree with this. I wonder when people will start to wake up to what the economic impacts of all this will be.
eaglejulesk · 17/01/2021 19:22

Visiting family is not an essential reason. My (only) family is abroad and I accept that travelling to visit is not vital at this point. They were interviewing people at Buenos Aires airport and reasons for flying to UK were “visiting family” and “visiting girlfriend”. Just no!

And anyone “stuck” abroad... did they miss the news at that there was a pandemic? If you’ve travelled after March 2020 then it’s your own fault if you are quarantined upon return or marooned abroad.

Well said. Borders are not going to be shut forever, people just have to suck it up until this is over. It seems to have come as a shock to some that life isn't about everything going your way all the time!

SittingHereThinking1 · 19/01/2021 08:29

This is such a ridiculous move. The only reason NZ and Aus could justify quarantine hotels (aka internment camps) is because they were pursuing a total elimination strategy. That ship sailed a long time ago. The govt are pandering to the Little England/ xenophobic base, who think that Johnny Foreigner is in a rush to come to the U.K. right now (as if England is an attractive destination right now!) The whole rhetoric of South African/ Brazilian mutations is starting to sound an awful lot like Trumpian “Kung-Flu” talk. This is just a chance to line Boris’s hotelier friends’ pockets. The technology exists to track people and ensure they are isolating at home (ankle tracking bracelets, facial recognition, GPS.) The hotel quarantine idea is nothing but a misguided attempt to appear “tough” on the virus, many months too late.
And besides if the logic of considering it is to keep new variants out, that means we will be sitting with our borders closed till the whole world gets the vaccine. What exactly is the exit strategy here? Ludicrous

JS87 · 19/01/2021 08:45

I read an article in the DM about this and I was shocked by the photos of how many people there were at the airport.

notimagain · 19/01/2021 09:18

I read an article in the DM about this and I was shocked by the photos of how many people there were at the airport.

Which airport,? When were the pics taken...?? How many flight were leaving that airport that day?

notimagain · 19/01/2021 09:29

Just for context regarding my above comment

My local airport pree-Covid has 6 or 8 flights a day serving London.

Lots of essential workers on the route because of the city pair, local industries.

At the moment we are lucky to see one a week.

Funnily enough on the odd day there's a London flight there might well be lines, briefly, but rest of the time the airports at both ends are relatively deserted..

But I'm sure at the right time I could produce a "shocking" picture

JS87 · 19/01/2021 20:53

@notimagain it was this article. Arrivals at Heathrow. Of course I realise it might not be like that all the time.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9158855/amp/Britains-travel-corridors-close-four-weeks-today.html?ico=amp_articleRelated_with_images

U.K. enforced quarantine
catsjammies · 19/01/2021 21:47

@Aixenprovence

thanks notimagain! Are there other commercial carriers still flying to Aus at the moment - I seem to remember Qantas stopped at one point?
Qantas hasn't flown in any real capacity since last...April I think? Most of their fleet has been grounded. Lots of planes just parked up and down the tarmac at Sydney Int a few weeks ago.
catsjammies · 19/01/2021 21:53

@eaglejulesk

Visiting family is not an essential reason. My (only) family is abroad and I accept that travelling to visit is not vital at this point. They were interviewing people at Buenos Aires airport and reasons for flying to UK were “visiting family” and “visiting girlfriend”. Just no!

And anyone “stuck” abroad... did they miss the news at that there was a pandemic? If you’ve travelled after March 2020 then it’s your own fault if you are quarantined upon return or marooned abroad.

Well said. Borders are not going to be shut forever, people just have to suck it up until this is over. It seems to have come as a shock to some that life isn't about everything going your way all the time!

How long do you expect people to wait to see family? We were supposed to go day before the last lockdown. It's been almost 2 years since I've seen my family. No, us travelling hasn't been essential. But I have had the opportunity to take my children to a country where they can live a fairly normal life for a few months in the sunshine, instead of being trapped in a flat in London and potentially exposed to the virus. We will be away for months. I know everyone's circumstances are different but if you think I was wrong for doing this for my children when we pose very little risk in return then you can get buggered.
catsjammies · 19/01/2021 21:57

And Heathrow on leaving was very busy, we were in full lockdown by then. I was surprised at how busy it was, to the point of not being able to socially distance properly. Tokyo airport was a complete ghost town in comparison.

KeepWashingThoseHands · 19/01/2021 22:05

Without intending to be facetious OP it’s mind boggling you think “the implications are just mind boggling” - how bad do you think it is now and would be if we continued without these measures. This may become the new normal, which is both v good and v bad.

The thing that annoys me is labelling of variants like ‘the South African, the British, the Brazilian virus’. It’s a step towards racism and xenophobia when the reality is viruses mutate, it’s what they do, no one is at fault. Despite repeatedly calling it ‘the British virus’ hasn’t Germany now found a new variant also. Point is it’s too late to close borders to X country once a mutation is found as it’s already there by then. You have to be proactive.

notimagain · 20/01/2021 02:43

[quote JS87]@notimagain it was this article. Arrivals at Heathrow. Of course I realise it might not be like that all the time.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9158855/amp/Britains-travel-corridors-close-four-weeks-today.html?ico=amp_articleRelated_with_images[/quote]
Thanks..

I heard yesterday PM that at least one terminal at Heathrow they've (understandably) shut the e- gates which of course then funnels everybody into the queues for manual checking. It only takes one or two widebodied Longhaul aircraft to arrive and bingo...queuing....

I've been through the place a few times since March and in my experience sometimes it's been a "ghost town" - certainly was during lockdown 1, sometimes it's been a bit busier, and certainly sometimes on departure social distancing isn't helped by management not having enough security lanes open..Angry. Overall the place is working at absolutely nothing like the level it was pre-Covid.

...and elsewhere the tumbleweed is blowing around my home airport...

eaglejulesk · 21/01/2021 04:18

How long do you expect people to wait to see family? We were supposed to go day before the last lockdown. It's been almost 2 years since I've seen my family.

I live in a part of the world where people have moved to, and from, for many years. People not seeing their families for longer than 2 years is not at all uncommon. When I was young people didn't travel nearly as much so they hardly ever saw their families, and in the really early days unless you were wealthy you never saw your family again. People these days have got so used to thinking they can do whatever they want to whenever it suits them - no-one ever seems to realise that life can change in an instant and suddenly they can't cope. So many selfish people on MN.

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