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U.K. enforced quarantine

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Oaktree55 · 17/01/2021 01:40

Wow given how reliant U.K. is on foreign investment etc never thought they’d introduce managed quarantine but apparently they are. I know some will say good but this will decimate huge part of U.K. economy 😱, they’ll have to keep in place for a long time too (NZ have indicated 18 months -2years). Blimey the implications are huge.

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notimagain · 17/01/2021 10:52

The biggest issue is that they don’t bother to ensure you are doing quarantine.

Given that the disease is now endemic in the UK it might all look a bit different if isolation for any reason was more carefully monitored and people were hit with big fines for breaking the regulations (and the laws were were better defined)

But I guess it's politically more popular to turn the spotlight on those who have entered the Uk from abroad for whatever reason.

LaurieFairyCake · 17/01/2021 10:54

They will do it for about 3 minutes Hmm

The second other countries open (if not before) Heathrow will open again - as it's a major hub for so many flights

CornishPastyDownUnder · 17/01/2021 10:55

Did a proper quarantine here in Brisbane Marriot International months ago -locked in room police escort down for a 15 minute daily fresh air break-watched like a hawk by more police and army-cost $5000..yep I can just see Bozza managing to pull that off..If he had any gumption it wouldve happened back when Oz and NZ were first doing it.

PicsInRed · 17/01/2021 10:59

@LaurieFairyCake

They will do it for about 3 minutes Hmm

The second other countries open (if not before) Heathrow will open again - as it's a major hub for so many flights

Auckland Airport is still open for international transit flights (yes, we have these 😂) so I see no reason Heathrow won't still be open for same. High frequency of staff testing seems to be effective at preventing covid entering at that vector.

www.aucklandairport.co.nz/information/novel-coronavirus-frequently-asked-questions

lljkk · 17/01/2021 11:53

Won't apply in Norn, will it?
so not UK at all. This must be a GB+ thing.

List of professions exempted from quarantine entries... plus people from Northern Ireland of course.

Vehicle crews (including hauliers)
Military
Chunnel workers
Lots of types of engineers, inspectors, scientists, civil servants, technicians, diplomats, sportspeople, negotiators, patients, health care professionals, ship people, technicians
in-transit passengers
people conveying bodily samples or parts
seasonal agricultural/poultry workers
prisoner escorts
oil/gas workers

and others who "regularly" work abroad (!!). Is that the same sort of list NZ enforces?

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IloveJKRowling · 17/01/2021 12:00

Thailand have very strict quarantine rules. You have to stay in a hotel which the government have approved. You are not allowed to leave the room under any circumstance for two weeks. Their cases there are very low.

It's really difficult not to conclude that the government is utterly incompetent when you look at what other countries have done. I can see that doing something like Thailand is considered to infringe on autonomy - but by not doing it we've ended up back in lockdown which results in a far larger number of people losing autonomy (not to mention economic damage, deaths etc).

Surely the greater economic damage of ending up back where we were in March more than outweighs the extent of damage to business by imposing strict quarantine rules on entry to the country. If you're not willing to do it then your business can't be THAT essential. And they're not stopping you working in the quarantine hotels.

And I know people say the aviation industry has lobbied hard, but talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. I seriously doubt ANYONE wants to travel to plague UK with our super spready new variant and almost overwhelmed health service now.

PicsInRed · 17/01/2021 12:03

and others who "regularly" work abroad (!!). Is that the same sort of list NZ enforces?

There are some exemptions (e.g. flight crew aren't doing 2 weeks in the hole for each flight) but I don't have this to hand.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 17/01/2021 12:09

3 variants have popped up over the last couple of months

No - a huge thing has been made of new variants recently, but while no virologist even I can see there have been mutations almost from the start (back in the spring there was an interesting coloured thing showing them all, but of course it's lost now among the latest carry on)

I'm not for an instant suggesting these changes don't exist, but it can be wise to remember just how much influence the behavioural scientists are using

GADDay · 17/01/2021 12:10

There are moves afoot in Queensland to send all international arrivals to remote mining camps. Planes will land away from Brisbane, so no interaction at all.

This is being done to keep the staff running hotel quarantine out of the community.

Having said that Emirates have just announced they will no longer fly to Sydney, Melbourne & Brisbane. So these camps may just end up being for government repatriation flights.

MaxNormal · 17/01/2021 12:11

@lljkk interesting, so it'll effectively just affect private travellers then not people travelling for work, if it happens.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 17/01/2021 12:13

There are some exemptions ...

Actually there are rather a lot, "elite sports people" among them. Strange, isn't it, that the Football Association's money talks so loudly? Hmm

There are moves afoot in Queensland to send all international arrivals to remote mining camps

Salt mines perhaps? Wink
Pity the Russians and Chinese didn't think of that ... or maybe they have

GADDay · 17/01/2021 12:16

@puzzledandpissedoff

Believe it or not, its true. There are a number of Fly in Fly Out camps that are being considered in Qld & WA. In normal times they are used to house mine workers. I have, myself worked and stayed in one which housed 800 people.

PicsInRed · 17/01/2021 12:17

There are some exemptions ...

This was re: NZ.

Sportspeople still need to quarantine in NZ, as they bloody well should.

The UK does now seem to be learning from the antipodeans, so I'm sure the UK exemption list will shorten and become more reasonable with time.

EileenGC · 17/01/2021 12:23

Sportspeople still need to quarantine in NZ, as they bloody well should.

Sportspeople in the NZ will normally travel to various events in a row, so they're away from home for a longer period of time than someone who goes for 2-3 day trips from UK to Belgium or Ukraine or Sweden. Their flights to Europe or America alone take 24h sometimes.
Not really comparable with athletes or artists or other frequent travellers in Europe who are going away multiple times a week, 1-2h flight away.

Baileysforchristmas · 17/01/2021 12:23

Thank goodness at long last

Aixenprovence · 17/01/2021 12:29

"Having said that Emirates have just announced they will no longer fly to Sydney, Melbourne & Brisbane."

Has anything particular happened to prompt that announcement? Interesting, as afaics nothing's happened recently to reduce further the (already drastically reduced) numbers flying there since last March when Australia banned most non-nationals?

When you see the list of exemptions (oil/gas workers, health workers etc) it does explain why it would be very difficult to impose 14 day supervised quarantine on every arrival. So I suppose the critical question is how much you achieve by imposing it on the non-exempt - would be interesting to know what studies have been done on that.

And on goods, we presumably need a lot of just in time manufacturing components - though that could be unaccompanied freight, I suppose?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 17/01/2021 12:30

Believe it or not, its true

Oh I believe you, GADDay - I was just wondering what'll happen if some other nations get hold of the idea Wink

notimagain · 17/01/2021 12:47

@Aixenprovence

*"Having said that Emirates have just announced they will no longer fly to Sydney, Melbourne & Brisbane."

Has anything particular happened to prompt that announcement?*

Rumour doing the rounds I've heard was that were no longer to find enough people able or prepared to pay the small fortune required to be repatriated.

everythingthelighttouches · 17/01/2021 12:49

Puzzledandpissedoff

“ a huge thing has been made of new variants recently, but while no virologist even I can see there have been mutations almost from the start (back in the spring there was an interesting coloured thing showing them all, but of course it's lost now among the latest carry on)

I'm not for an instant suggesting these changes don't exist, but it can be wise to remember just how much influence the behavioural scientists are using”

You are conflating mutations with variants.

Viruses mutate all the time.

When they “grow” they make copies of themselves and make errors in their genetic code, which is known as a genetic mutation.
Sometimes, these mutations lead to a noticeable change in the virus protein. Most of which, have no major consequence to how the virus goes about its business. This happens at a rate of about two mutations per month so far for SARSCoV2.

These changes are mapped on the “interesting coloured thing” you describe. A phylogenetic tree.

When sufficient changes occur to change the way the virus behaves ( usually we see it becoming more dominant) it is known as a variant. This also happens loads. There have been hundreds of variants worldwide.

Again, this hasn’t caused any worry so far. It’s just normal for viruses.

Then, in December/very early January , we saw saw three new variants appear that had a very large number of mutations occur all in one go, which gave the virus an advantage. At the same time, we saw those variants begin to “take over” from local variants. Also, those variants share some of the changes that give the virus an advantage. This is really a concern because it is evidence of something called convergent evolution. It means the virus is finding a way to adapt to its host.

Why don’t you listen to the actual virologists, epidemiologists, structural biologists and other scientists if you are not an expert yourself?

Read the article I posted, it’s a great summary of the current state of play.

www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/01/new-coronavirus-variants-could-cause-more-reinfections-require-updated-vaccines

This is really nothing to do with behavioural scientists (are you trying to imply that there is nothing special about these variants and they are being used to control of influence your behaviour?)

everythingthelighttouches · 17/01/2021 12:54

Just to clarify. Behavioural scientists are extremely important indeed in facilitating public health communication.

But behavioural scientists are not the ones who are banging the drum about the new variants.

Aixenprovence · 17/01/2021 12:55

thanks notimagain! Are there other commercial carriers still flying to Aus at the moment - I seem to remember Qantas stopped at one point?

notimagain · 17/01/2021 13:01

@Aixenprovence

thanks notimagain! Are there other commercial carriers still flying to Aus at the moment - I seem to remember Qantas stopped at one point?
One for the Ozzies here I think..

AFAIK Qantas still aren't doing anything international (? except to/from NZ?). Not sure about either Jetstar or the likes of Qatar.

oneglassandpuzzled · 17/01/2021 13:22

@IloveJKRowling

Thailand have very strict quarantine rules. You have to stay in a hotel which the government have approved. You are not allowed to leave the room under any circumstance for two weeks. Their cases there are very low.

It's really difficult not to conclude that the government is utterly incompetent when you look at what other countries have done. I can see that doing something like Thailand is considered to infringe on autonomy - but by not doing it we've ended up back in lockdown which results in a far larger number of people losing autonomy (not to mention economic damage, deaths etc).

Surely the greater economic damage of ending up back where we were in March more than outweighs the extent of damage to business by imposing strict quarantine rules on entry to the country. If you're not willing to do it then your business can't be THAT essential. And they're not stopping you working in the quarantine hotels.

And I know people say the aviation industry has lobbied hard, but talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. I seriously doubt ANYONE wants to travel to plague UK with our super spready new variant and almost overwhelmed health service now.

Quite a lot of people are still crossing the Channel in flimsy rubber dinghies in winter conditions so I’m not sure that last point is the case. I counted five flights landing at Heathrow just now on the arrivals board.
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notimagain · 17/01/2021 13:35

I know people say the aviation industry has lobbied hard, but talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face

I don't think the industry has been as effective at lobbying as some people think...it certainly never managed to get on arrival testing done at places like LHR..despite trials being run for example at T2, HMG seem to been almost completely disinterested in the idea..

www.theguardian.com/travel/2020/aug/19/heathrow-rapid-covid-test-centre-could-replace-quarantine

I guess some hotel chains will welcome the ideas being floated by Rabb et all today...

Would it be cynical to ask if any of them run by Tory party donors...Hmm?

XenoBitch · 17/01/2021 14:04

I agree, charges should be very high as well so as to put people off going on holiday.

Not everyone flying is going on holiday. Some are trying to visit family.

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