COVID vaccine, anyone feel apprehensive about it?

[Josie1968]

Hi there

I just wondered whether anyone feels nervous about any potential long term implications or side effects from having the vaccine bearing in mind the quickness that it has got through the testing / regulations etc.

Everyone sounds like they’re happy to have it but I can’t help but have some reservations about it!! 😢

I would rather not have the vaccine, not because I think its been rushed through (although if there are no risks, why have the big pharma producers of it ensure they can't be sued if there are serious reactions to it? Cant remember the source of this announcement before anyone asks) but because I choose not to put toxins in my body wherever possible..

I live a healthy life - I keep fit, eat healthy home cooked food and do everything I can to keep healthy. i'm lucky - my immune system isn't compromised, I don't have underlying health conditions and rarely get ill. I don't even take paracetamol/ibuprofen for a headache!. If I caught Covid I would be highly unlikely to be 'proper poorly' with it. I live alone, rarely socialise and don't have contact with any at risk people. I don't go out to heavily populated places , don't go abroad on holiday and practice good hygiene at all times. Why would I need to put a bunch of chemicals in my body when its doing a really good job of keeping me healthy all by itself?

@GretaSheen

I am so sorry but I gave you outdated information in my previous post on the Pfizer vaccine and anaphylaxis. I have seen this morning on the Gov.uk website that the guidance on 9th December 2020, to not give the Pfizer vaccine to those who have suffered anaphylaxis, was withdrawn on 11th January 2021:
www.gov.uk/government/news/confirmation-of-guidance-to-vaccination-centres-on-managing-allergic-reactions-following-covid-19-vaccination-with-the-pfizer-biontech-vaccine

The updated guidance is that the Pfizer vaccine can be given and that you should only not have it if you are allergic to the ingredients in it.

www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/clinical-areas/allergy/gps-can-now-offer-covid-vaccines-to-patients-with-history-of-anaphylaxis/

www.sps.nhs.uk/articles/advising-individuals-with-allergies-on-their-suitability-for-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine/

I know cases are rare but there have been at least 17 in the USA (I appreciate it has a much greater population) and rising. It does worry me and I don't want my relative, who has suffered anaphylaxis more than once, to have that particular vaccine.

I want the vaccine as I don’t want COVID again, it was bloody frightening. Also my long COVID has never gone away and I’m struggling along with my family. (We’ve all had to make changes as I have no energy).

So on this basis the vaccine is a great idea.

However - there needs to be INDEPENDENT analysis of the severe issues mentioned by that have come to light. Especially as the Swine flu concerns were known about and weren’t investigated and caused massive, lifelong harm and a young woman committed suicide because it devastated her life.

Harm from vaccines are one thing; lack of investigation is a whole other ball game.

Why would we not as consumers - demand this? Most other areas of purchasing if you like have to be independently verified. Why not potentially life changing vaccines?

No. I have a needle phobia and literally you could not get that jab into my arm fast enough for me. The sooner I can not have to worry about going into a lecture theatre while the virus rages through our campus (as I had to last term), the better.

www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7002e1.htm
Extract:
"As of December 23, 2020, a reported 1,893,360 first doses of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine had been administered in the United States, and reports of 4,393 (0.2%) adverse events after receipt of Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine had been submitted to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). Among these, 175 case reports were identified for further review as possible cases of severe allergic reaction, including anaphylaxis. Anaphylaxis is a life-threatening allergic reaction that does occur rarely after vaccination, with onset typically within minutes to hours (3). Twenty-one cases were determined to be anaphylaxis (a rate of 11.1 per million doses administered), including 17 in persons with a documented history of allergies or allergic reactions, seven of whom had a history of anaphylaxis. The median interval from vaccine receipt to symptom onset was 13 minutes (range = 2–150 minutes). Among 20 persons with follow-up information available, all had recovered or been discharged home. Of the remaining case reports that were determined not to be anaphylaxis, 86 were judged to be nonanaphylaxis allergic reactions, and 61 were considered nonallergic adverse events. Seven case reports were still under investigation."

Although very low in percentage terms, I still find this worrying.

@SADWinter

Why would we not as consumers - demand this? Most other areas of purchasing if you like have to be independently verified

I agree. I think investigations will take place eventually if side effects occur in sufficient numbers. The only problem is it seems to take time (taking into account what happened with Pandremix, for instance)

I still hope some of these vaccines end up being safe and effective

Twenty-one cases were determined to be anaphylaxis (a rate of 11.1 per million doses administered)

Shouldn't we have seen close to 33 cases by now in that case - have we?

@FourTeaFallOut

Twenty-one cases were determined to be anaphylaxis (a rate of 11.1 per million doses administered)

Shouldn't we have seen close to 33 cases by now in that case - have we?

No, because people with a history of anaphylaxis were warned not to get the vaccine. This rate has therefore decreased.

@SADWinter
Why would we not as consumers - demand this? Most other areas of purchasing if you like have to be independently verified. Why not potentially life changing vaccines?

That's pretty funny!!!

Like when the cosmetics companies tell you that their product is 75% effective at reducing the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles. Independently verified!!! Right!

The Garnier Laboratoire

Good, didn't we have that pegged within a couple of days of having the Pfizer vaccine, before America got their vials?

Not at all. I actually can't wait for it!

Hubby had his frontliner NHS and had a sore arm. That's it.

The vaccine is a lot safer than having Covid. To the PP who claimed they would be fine, as they had a “healthy immune system” - that is exactly what may kill you, if it overreacts to Covid with a cytokine storm, causing multi organ failure. Even patients who survive a mild infection can be left disabled with long Covid.
I was previously fit, yet have been left breathless at 100 yards for nearly ten months and counting. I was too fatigued to even mow my lawn or do the shopping for nearly six months. Do you seriously want to risk that? The vaccine is a much safer alternative to playing Russian roulette with Covid.

@bobbiester

Like when the cosmetics companies tell you that their product is 75% effective

You can't compare a topical face cream to a vaccine

The vaccine is a lot safer than having Covid

But that cant be said yet.

There seems to be fears[no idea whether groundless or not] about male and female fertility.

I too have had long covid. Piece of cake for me compared to people having lifelong fertility issues. As an example.

[quote trulydelicious]@bobbiester

Like when the cosmetics companies tell you that their product is 75% effective

You can't compare a topical face cream to a vaccine [/quote]
It was @SADWinter making the comparison - saying that we needed the same independent verification for vaccines that we get when purchasing "most" other things.

I was simply pointing out this was silly - we get way MORE independent verification with vaccines.

Yes everyone is different!!

These were sent in my group chat

@Blobby10 I agree with @babdoc I also don’t think that’s reason not to have the jab! A case in point - I was also properly, actively healthy and now I feel terrible with long COVID...

BUT I’m more nervous about the issues that won’t be investigated like the Swine Flu cover up.

With genuine, independent investigation of these deaths following COVID vaccine more people would trust the vaccine. Then we would as a whole have more protection. It’s win-win for consumers.

Oh - and make sure top doctors who decide on vaccines for the world don’t hold £££ of stocks in vaccine companies.

@kale123

They should be reporting those issues through the Yellow Card scheme so they can be properly investigated

yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/

More info here

post.parliament.uk/monitoring-covid-19-vaccine-safety-in-national-immunisation-programmes/

Facebook should be fine, the problem is that it could contribute to them being accused of scaremongering and valid discussions (like on this thread) shut down

I'm guessing from the use of 'er' that the Facebook woman is not in the UK and won't be able to make use of those link trulydelicious. Even if you did take it at face value

No.

@Calmandmeasured1

Thank you. My one and only anaphylaxis was after having General anesthetic. It was a very long time ago and unfortunately they do not have a record of what the ingredients were and therefore which one I'm allergic to.

I'm still in two minds.

I am very much concerned about it due to the speed of it & not knowing the long term side effects. It is frustrating to see people express similar worries about side effects only for someone to come along & say "I've had it & all I had was a headache or sore arm" when the problem is not knowing the long term side effects. Also for very understandable reasons there has been a serious push by the gov & media for people to be vaccinated however if issues were to arise with the safety of the vaccine after a few weeks or months can we trust that we will be informed about it or would it be swept under the carpet? So I'm very cynical & nervous & hope people will be respectful of this & accept my personal decision not to be vaccinated as I respect everyone who does want it. Unfortunately I'm often met with emotional blackmail or accused of being anti vaccine when I have happily had flu jabs in the past.

@tatutata

Vaguely, mainly because I'm young so it doesn't seem worth it. But at this point I'd be quite happy to be rogered by a donkey if I could have my life back, so I'm certainly taking it.

This really made me chuckle 😆 im the same Bill Gates can chip me all he likes hell they can even tattoo an ID number on my forehead if it means some normality again