Is this the end of schools as we know them?

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Teachers are leaving in droves.

This new variant will not come down to acceptable R levels for a long time, will it?

How will schools open up to ALL students without a government strategical plan in place? There doesn’t seem to be one.

Is our school system about to collapse alongside the NHS?

No.

Where are teachers leaving in droves? Don't know any. We'll all wait until it's over, because despite what the media says, we have some concept of civic duty, THEN we'll leave.

The number of people on teacher training courses has increased under the pandemic.

There are going to be large numbers of graduates in general and very few available jobs. Recessions always increase the number of people going into teaching.

And the U.K. has had high teacher turnover for decades.

Go back to the bbc website OP, you'll find your people there.

Yes. It’s going to change snow days forever.

Bloody online learning. I’m gutted.

I think, once the pandemic is over, this could actually turn to be a reset botton for the NHS and schools/ education. More staff and resouces for the NHS, and more recognition and changes for teachers, possibly more jobs too.
I wish logistics and supermarkets and other critical sectors would win a higher recognition out of it. Many of them are not paid that much at all. But I think this unlikely, sadly.

@MsJaneAusten

Yes. It’s going to change snow days forever.

Bloody online learning. I’m gutted.

@hashbrownsandwich

Go back to the bbc website OP, you'll find your people there.

@hashbrownsandwich

Best. Post. Today.

More staff and resouces for the NHS, and more recognition and changes for teachers, possibly more jobs too.

Funded how exactly? We are going to be financially screwed for a very long time as a result of covid.

@MsJaneAusten

Yes. It’s going to change snow days forever.

Bloody online learning. I’m gutted.

Ive been saying this to students all this academic year. Snow days have gone forever!

Teachers aren’t leaving in droves. In fact fewer teachers are leaving than usual and more people are applying to be teachers. Of course it might change after the pandemic, but there will be a recession and teaching always is attractive when the economy is weak

One thing I think will be better is access to education for those who can’t get into school for whatever reason (illness, school refuses due to anxiety/bullying etc) I’d like online/home learning to be properly supported permanently so that if Jane is sick for 3 days one week she can log on each day and all her class work will be on google classroom or whatever for her to do and submit. It might also allow people to take holidays during term times if they can commit to their child logging on and completing their school work during their absence. No work done= the £60 daily fine.

No.

Snow days though .

Not at all.
This is a tough time for everybody I admit but....
Teachers aren't leaving in droves, a few will quit, this will be balanced out by people training to be teachers after redundancy so that'll be fine.
The r rate will absolutely come down, we've reached crisis point, it isn't pretty but it won't last forever.
Plus when the dust finally settles, school's needs found ability to teach virtually will prove to be a bonus in lots of small ways.
Snow days and long hospital admissions for example.

No. Calm down.

Teachers are not leaving in droves. And they won’t afterwards either because we’ll be in recession. Vaccinations are rolling out and we are (albeit too fuckling slowly) moving to the better weather of spring, by Easter the schools will be back. By the time the bad weather comes back in late autumn, the country will be mostly if not entirely vaccinated. There is every reason to think this will keep Covid enough under control. I think the underfunding will continue but kids will be back in school.

The government seems to be on a mission to get rid of the NHS.

Is that their intention with state education as well?

Are they failing to make schools safe and come up with a plan to keep them open to all students on purpose?

Why is no one putting the pressure on? Unions, headteachers, the opposition ...

More staff and resouces for the NHS, and more recognition and changes for teachers, possibly more jobs too.

@YouBoughtMeAWall Funded how exactly? We are going to be financially screwed for a very long time as a result of covid

Bring back Boris’s big red bus pledge to bite him on the ass!

If anyone actually thinks this is making public sector working look attractive they must be mad - teachers are being called all sorts and the NHS staff are on their knees (I’ve worked in the NHS within the last 5years and left & it was pretty dire circumstances before Covid there literally were not the resources needed).

Teachers in UK are not respected. Constantly repudriated.

But parents know now what it entails.

Original poster are you suggesting that both healthcare and education will be non state and private open market only in the post pandemic future?

Where are you getting this from OP?

One thing I think will be better is access to education for those who can’t get into school for whatever reason (illness, school refuses due to anxiety/bullying etc) I’d like online/home learning to be properly supported permanently so that if Jane is sick for 3 days one week she can log on each day and all her class work will be on google classroom or whatever for her to do and submit. It might also allow people to take holidays during term times if they can commit to their child logging on and completing their school work during their absence. No work done= the £60 daily fine

This would make me leave! My workload is already unsustainable, online teaching increases my workload significantly, doing it alongside classroom teaching pushes it too far. All of my planning needs to then be turned into two different formats. My marking and tracking is then in two different places, I couldn’t manage it long term.

Also, we had 4 teachers leave at Christmas and only replaced 1 as we didn’t have applicants for other roles. We’ve advertised another role since last September and haven’t had a qualified applicant apply yet.

Where are you getting this from OP?

My head? My thinking/questioning. No where else. Why should it be from somewhere else ...

@MushMonster

I think, once the pandemic is over, this could actually turn to be a reset botton for the NHS and schools/ education. More staff and resouces for the NHS, and more recognition and changes for teachers, possibly more jobs too. I wish logistics and supermarkets and other critical sectors would win a higher recognition out of it. Many of them are not paid that much at all. But I think this unlikely, sadly.

Not while we have a Tory government.

@YouBoughtMeAWall and herein lies the problem! Parents think we just take our usual planning and resources, whack it on the website, job done. Couldn’t be further from the truth! All my planning and resources have had to be amended or completely changed to make them available for on line learning. No bloody way am I doing that on a weekly basis when schools are back to normal so parents can all take their kids out to go on holiday .

It’s only on MN that teachers are leaving in droves. I’ve seen loads of threads where they claim to have ‘quit their job’ as a result of government covid policy. I don’t know any in RL who have done so.

As others said, the number of teachers in training has increased, so when the mumsnet quitting teachers quit, they’ll be ready.

@MsJaneAusten

Yes. It’s going to change snow days forever.

Bloody online learning. I’m gutted.

I feel your pain. Well be love streaming how to build a snowman