Sir Keir Starmer calling for nursery closure!

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Sorry I’m not sure how to link this but it’s on BBC news.

I don't understand why nurseries are open for all but they close schools. Luckily for me my nursery shut (my youngest was suppose to start in January). Parents should be given the choose of sending their child in and if parents decide not to should be reassured they won't lose their child's place, this is what I was concerned about if my daughters nursery stayed opened. I have 3 children and I wouldn't feel right home schooling the older 2 but sending my youngest in... just doesn't make semse

He’s talking garbage. Just has to be seen to have something to say.

Trouble is if nurseries close it impacts on a lot of working mothers, private nurseries wouldn’t be able to afford to stay open for a few key worker’s children. It’s a really tricky one as babies and toddlers are high maintenance compared with school children. So more difficult for working mothers to find an alternative childcare if nurseries close.
Biggest problem is people not obeying the rules out of work, flocking to touristy area or shopping centres, standing round and not obeying social distancing rules. No need for whole families to go to the supermarkets together, far quicker shopping alone.

I think nurseries being open is a reflection on how difficult it is to work and / or HS with preschoolers in the house.

Many GPs could cope with school age children but really struggle with the needs of non stop movement of toddlers.

I'm Scotland nursery is closed so LO has had another day glued to the telly. And now it's too dark to take him to the local play park. Totally unfair on small kids to be neglected like this.

If nurseries close will be pay everyone’s childcare bill for them? That won’t stop just because they close nurseries.

@FreeChuro

Yes but supermarket staff aren’t expected to cuddle, wipe noses and change nappies of shoppers are they? Don’t get up quite so close and personal I don’t think!

Yes! Thank you!

Correct me if I am wrong but I think supermarket staff are exposed to just a few more people than those looking after a strict childcare bubble. People who don't social distance, people who aren't told they can't come into the supermarket (setting) if they're showing symptoms and people who probably don't regularly wash hands etc. There are risks everywhere, there's no need to dramatise one and belittle others. Before closing nurseries they could maybe consider shutting necessary shops such as Poundland and Next?

The thing is the people who abide by the rules will always abide by the rules. The people who dont abide by the rules will always not abide by the rules. So those who abide by the rules will abide by the tougher restrictiions and the dicks who do as they like will always be dicks and spoil it for all of us.

@sadblackcat

The thing is the people who abide by the rules will always abide by the rules. The people who dont abide by the rules will always not abide by the rules. So those who abide by the rules will abide by the tougher restrictiions and the dicks who do as they like will always be dicks and spoil it for all of us.

Totally agree with this. I'm a rule follower, and massively disadvantaged socially because I live in a house share. If they tighten up the rules further I will go nuts and sod the rules.

My DS nursery is closed, so I have to be furloughed. DH is an essential worker I am not so we don’t get a space

Nurseries are closed in Scotland apart from KW /V categories....probably needs to happen as its still mixing

Listening to Starmer talking about protecting family income on radio

@MarshaBradyo I saw his statement in Parliament today,it reminds me of when Corbyn was put of touch and projecting how he wanted the world to be rather than how life in this country is.

He is pretty clueless maybe he doesn’t know any women who work.

He does seem very out of touch with normal people

I don’t see why nurseries are open and schools closed. Surely only kw nursery children should be in.

@Benjispruce2

I don’t see why nurseries are open and schools closed. Surely only kw nursery children should be in.

Because it’s much easier to look after a primary school child than a baby/toddler.

Because nurseries aren’t state funded and may go under.

Because only taking KW’s children might not be financially viable and so they may totally close leaving KW’s without childcare.

Take your pick, there’s more but I can’t be arsed.

Nurseries s cannot close. The science does not call for it. Children are better off work a stable routine rather trying to work stressed and preoccupied parents.

And not working is simply not an option for most parents.

Many nurseries will be forced to close, or forced to cut their workforce and many workers will lose their jobs and be forced out of work into an unemployment market that is only going to get worse before it gets better.

As one poster quote rightly stated above the closure of nurseries will have a greater impact on women.

It will mostly women who work in early years roles, it is mostly women who will bear the brunt of the childcare responsibilities at home and it is mostly women who will feel they should step down from their job or take a pay cut because they are not the main earner in their household.

For many women working from home is not an option. So what do they do without childcare provision?

Many key and critical workers will not be able to work. During the last lockdown a local nursery near to me in London was forced to close as there were not enough key workers to keep it open and that meant that my friend - who is a nurse and another who is an occupational therapist could not work because they had no childcare. And no,
emergency childcare could not just be arranged with a wave of the wand because there was so little available and there needs to be a settling in period.

Perhaps if Keir Starmer thinks about how hard the closure of nurseries will affect women he might wind his neck in. No doubt he has never faced the dilemma of trying to work around tiny children at home, or facing the prospect that he cannot work because he has no childcare.

@GrabbingTheWorldByTheLapels excellent post

Do we think they will actually close?
Ds1 is in nursery and I have a baby. I'm really worried about them closing it effected him so much last time :(

@november90

Do we think they will actually close? Ds1 is in nursery and I have a baby. I'm really worried about them closing it effected him so much last time :(

They’re already closed in Scotland! Have been since 26/12. It’s a fucking shitshow.

We’re having to break lockdown rules by having my elderly (don’t tell my mum I called her that) parents look after DS 2 days a week whilst we frantically juggle work. It’s absolutely shit and my mental health is spiralling.

Will be interesting to see the gender pay gap reports from companies for this year and next year. I know ours is done each year, is that the same for most big companies? If they take into account unpaid leave for childcare the gap will be huge!

Yes, key worker childcare hubs aren't really an option for nursery age children. I know some were established for schoolchildren in the last lockdown and there were many parents who were reluctant to use them since it was too unsettling for the children.

Who is going to hand their young baby or toddler over to a complete stranger in a strange setting which they didn't choose?

If our nursery goes key worker children only again (which would include mine fwiw) they will go bust. Said, but true. Without childcare for my 3 year old, I will no longer be able to man a bubble at the primary school I work at. 🤷

We have very high rates here at the moment, but there have been zero cases in staff or pupils at the nursery/preschool and one solitary case in primary.

If nurseries proved to be high points of transmission like schools, I would understand their closure. But they haven't been. The govt were quick to close them last time around so why wouldn't they this time, if there was an issue?

I think the top 4 vulnerable categories need to get vaxxed first, then the less vulnerable by risky occupation.

If our nursery goes key worker children only again (which would include mine fwiw) they will go bust. Said, but true. Without childcare for my 3 year old, I will no longer be able to man a bubble at the primary school I work at.

This is the point so many seem to not be grasping. If they are closed then many nurseries simply wont be there when things get back up and running and subsequently lots of key workers will have to give up their jobs to provide childcare.

I hope they don't close, it would be such a waste to lose so many nhs staff, teacher and key workers. Not to mention the huge loss of childminder and nursery worker jobs.

@IndecentFeminist I really agree with your post. I can't believe there are people arguing with what the CMO has said. I guess they must know more them him.
There is NO WAY in hell this discussion is being had by the men of this country. Women guilting each other into nursery closure. It's madness. In fact they are probably open because men saw how hard it was to manage work and childcare last time and it has filtered through.
If the science supports closing so be it but now it does not.