Sir Keir Starmer calling for nursery closure!

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Sorry I’m not sure how to link this but it’s on BBC news.

[quote BustopherPonsonbyJones]@GoldenOmber
But if enough of the nursery workers make the decision to hand in their notice (like a previous poster said was happening), you will find yourself in the same position anyway.

Be kind to the people so many of you seem to find indispensable.[/quote]
Why am I not ‘being kind’? I’m not even saying nurseries shouldn’t close (mine are!)

Put it this way:

Person A: Nursery worker with vulnerable elderly parent in household.

Person B: Non-nursery worker with a busy WFH job with toddler in household.

You are concerned about Person A’s situation. You don’t think Person A should have to choose between their job and the welfare of their vulnerable family member.

So why not extend that kindness to Person B?

@FreeChuro

Be kind to the people so many of you seem to find indispensable.

Thank you.
I feel sick with fear having to be there, and every sniffle and cough puts us all on edge, only to be met with 'they're teething' or 'it's just a cold' - and of course these children are wanting extra affection.

I just feel so unappreciated, even more so after reading some of the posts on here.

I feel you xx lots of love x

@warmtoes

Kier starmer should first campaign for half the dc who are still in schools to stay at home tbh.

Too many at our school who should be at home (lots of sahm and some with only one dc more concerned they'll miss their Netflix binge time than help society for example)

I love the mum bashing, what about the fathers working from home who have SUCH important jobs they can’t possibly risk being interrupted by their child!

Schools and nurseries only open to those who both work front line in those sectors, and to vulnerable children or kids with SN who would hugely benefit from their routine remaining unchanged/for medical reasons.

As good as that sounds it simply isn't financially viable for nurseries. They need to operate with as many children as possible to be able to pay the bills, wages and building costs. A streamlined cohort of only a handful of children would not be enough to open.

Idontbelieveit12
Thank you

@idontbelieveit12, I don't disagree with you. It is what I would suspect anyway. My point is that it is not the nursery interactions that drive spread rather those outside the nursery setting.

@GoldenOmber with the best will in the world, Person A is not ultimately responsible for the care of Person B's child. That's person B's job.

Yes, it's tough for parents - very very tough. That needs acknowledging and support put in place by their employers and the govt. But no-one is responsible for their children's care but them.

I fully understand where he is coming from, and right now anything that can slow the spread whilst the vaccine is rolling out will help, however if they close nurseries/childminders I will have to give up my job, there is no way around it, I am in a non essential role for predominantly male dominated non understanding company - allowances won't be made. We can manage on one salary, but it would have to be my husband's as he earns more than me, so I'll be the one who has to take the hit in terms of a CV gap

[quote Chestnutacorns123]@idontbelieveit12, I don't disagree with you. It is what I would suspect anyway. My point is that it is not the nursery interactions that drive spread rather those outside the nursery setting.[/quote]
For staff though? We have seen nobody outside of work/school for months. We saw nobody over Christmas. If I get Covid it will be from work.

It seems everyone’s finances are more important than the lives of Early Years workers.

Might it help if we appreciated that a lot of parents working from home are doing jobs that other people (including many of you) depend on, too?

I have a public sector job, we are incredibly busy with covid response work. I am not sitting around filing my nails all day while entertaining myself with a fun little hobby job.

We decided to keep the LO off nursery after Xmas. First week back and they have a covid case.

@Same4Walls

Ideally the gov should put up the shortfall of funds. It would probably work out cheaper in the long run rather than months of on/off lockdowns.

But that's just my opinion and we'll continue to get the Boris shit show

I'm 4os so guess I will be near the end of the year for vaccine .
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@Frazzled2207

If they close them down without proper funding then frankly they won't reopen. A nursery i work with is already terribly worried because it would appear they have to give up funding for children on-roll who don't want to attend due to the pandemic.

Also to those trying to earn a living with children at home (most of us) that goes from extremely difficult to nearly impossible with nursery aged children at home.

Thats exactly the same at my DDs nursery where she works, she fully expects to be made redundant at the end of January

@Ilovegreentomatoes

I'm 4os so guess I will be near the end of the year for vaccine . .

Sadly I think that is the case unless they bump all teachers and nursery staff up the list

@Idontbelieveit12

It seems everyone’s finances are more important than the lives of Early Years workers.

Pure hyperbole.

If I had the vaccine I would feel a lot safer working at the nursery. Now I don't have any ppe am working close contact with toddlers and am a single parent. I really can't afford to get sick as I am the only care giver for my dd.

People need a bit of perspective here. I’m 40, no underlying conditions and as far as I can see from all the calculators, I’m at more risk of dying from flu than Covid.

@BooBahBoo - where are we going to get the vaccines from to supply the 24-hour process? We don't have the supply to do this. The rate limiting factor is not the GP surgeries or other centres carrying out the vaccination, it's the vaccines themselves!

@AgnesNaismith

Going on furlough puts you at the top of the queue for redundancies. Poisoned chalice if ever I saw one.

But it shouldn’t and that can be enforced with anti-discrimination measures. Why is it women who always have to take on the extra load, suffer financially and mentally? It’s enough.

Hahahaha.

Furloughed people are going to lose their jobs in a high percentage of cases. You can have as many "anti-discrimination measures" as you like. Employers in the private sector will find a way to get rid of them.

There may be no alternative right now, but can we please be honest about how bad this is going to be for women?

Vaccine wise, once they’ve completed vaccination of all the vulnerable groups they should look at doing key workers next, absolutely.
A healthy nursery worker or teacher needs to be protected before I do - a healthy office worker, for example.

The ones who want them closed - do you have nursery kids yourself?

@TheKeatingFive

People need a bit of perspective here. I’m 40, no underlying conditions and as far as I can see from all the calculators, I’m at more risk of dying from flu than Covid.

Bully for you. Do you not understand that you might transmit it to someone less likely to breeze through it?

He’s not wrong. They need to be like schools....for key worker kids only.