Can you take daily exercise further afield if there are quite serious mental health issues?

[5nugBug]

In the middle lock down they said you could.

*@RoganJosh *
Cuckoo you know you’re meant to tell the DVLA when you move house?!

Again, eh? They don't give you a new registration plate when you move house

[quote cuckooclok]**@RoganJosh
Cuckoo you know you’re meant to tell the DVLA when you move house?!

Again, eh? They don't give you a new registration plate when you move house

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But the vela register is updated with the new details.
So the police can run the number plate through the computer system and it tells them who the new registered owner/keeper is.
This is why you are expected to update your DVLA details if you move home.

Sorry autocorrect: vela = DVLA

[quote cuckooclok]**@RoganJosh
Cuckoo you know you’re meant to tell the DVLA when you move house?!

Again, eh? They don't give you a new registration plate when you move house

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You’re being pretty rude, you know.

Even if you weren’t wrong. Yes you don’t get a number plate, but the details of your address that the DVLA holds on that registration number are updated.

Potential £1,000 fine for not updating your address with the DVLA.
www.gov.uk/change-address-v5c?step-by-step-nav=c1f13d41-ed7f-44a3-be11-fd95525ddf40

But the problem here isn't the "proof" when stopped by police. OP doesn't need proof, taking a walk for mental health is a valid reason. She won't be fined.

But at that point the damage is done. The OP's daughter can't bear the thought of being stopped and asked, whatever the reason for her being out. The fact that it's a justified trip doesn't matter, the very idea of being stopped is enough to send her into a tailspin.

It's these scenarios which the "stay the fuck at home" and "police need to be enforcing guidelines as well as laws" don't think about.

The DVLA stuff is an aside. Sorry.

I think having ‘proof’ is helpful though as it’s reassuring to know you’re ok in case of being questioned. Even if you shouldn’t need it.

@OrangeSamphire

Where is the ‘village, town or city’ guidance on distance to be found?

I mean we have to travel 10 miles to a supermarket so that takes us well out of our village.

No it says "outdoor exercise. This should be done locally wherever possible, but you can travel a short distance within your area to do so if necessary (for example, to access an open space)" and there is no definition of 'your area'. So you can legally travel for exercise

Exactly that @RaspberryCoulis.

I’m quite unsettled by what I’ve seen reported in the press about the recent behaviour of Derbyshire and Dorset police forces in particular.

And in the first lockdown I clearly remember mental health being mentioned, but not this time.

Matt Hancock this morning on Sky was a total and said he supported the police in the matter of the 2 ladies in Derbyshire, despite it being clear that they didn't break the law.

More blood on his hands

Thanks @benedicto. A poster above indicated the guidance on local area defined it as ‘your village, town or part of the city you live in’. Which for many people would be very difficult to adhere to indeed. Buying food, for example!

It’s misinformation like that, spread in places like MN, that contributes to a generally hostile environment for people who do need to go out.

@Honeydukesmum

Top of photo should cover this

This photo that says: "If you (or a person in your care) have a health condition that routinely requires you to leave home to maintain your health - including if that involves travel beyond your local area or exercising several times a day - then you can do so.

Should definitely cover children/young people being treated by CAMHS for mental health issues being allowed to travel for exercise.

@5nugBug this is the info you need- yes you can

The guidelines permit it. Allowing those with health conditions to take necessary exercise out of local area and for several times a day was added to them a few days ago.
For those who think it isn't necessary

I have a teenager with non verbal autism and has no clue about covid who has gone to the same quiet places for years. You cannot suddenly change that routine without risk of harm and changes when everything else is changing creates more anxiety leading to self injurious and violent behaviour which not only hurts him and us but then involves outside professional services creating more risk for them and us. It is far less risk ( and kinder to a very vulnerable person) to keep safe parts of his routine going. Added to this trying to get him to exercise in busier places close to him places other people at risk from some of his behaviours which are likely to be worse because of the busier environment.

[quote Rosie2000]@5nugBug this is the info you need- yes you can[/quote]
I totally agree that this covers it and posted the exact wording just above your post (since photos don't show on searching and other vulnerable people might need to find this thread).

But since the police are ignoring the Guidance that says you can travel for exercise within your area, what are the chances they will ignore this Guidance as well and issue a fine if they 'interpret' the Guidance as not including mental health. The current issuing of fines for travelling for exercise - which is allowed under the Guidance - suggests that the police and government do not think we should be permitted to do the activities permitted in the Guidance.

[quote ThePricklySheep]Potential £1,000 fine for not updating your address with the DVLA.
www.gov.uk/change-address-v5c?step-by-step-nav=c1f13d41-ed7f-44a3-be11-fd95525ddf40[/quote]
Yes thanks I know the rules as I work in vehicle admin, however 'it's right there on your registration plate' ie the first two letters denoting where the vehicle was first registered is different to the police wasting time and resources running a check on a vehicle which could be registered in a spouses/ relatives name when you could just literally show them your ID instead.

Might it be worth ringing 101 and asking if a note can be put against your registration?

We live in a small town so when the rules changed last lock down and I could travel for exercise for my ADHD child the local police already knew who we were and were never bothered.

Well not by the police. We were verbally abused by one or two people that haven't received the invisible disabilities memo.

Ha cuckooclok I give up

@5nugBug

My dd is under CAMHs and on medication. Daily exercise is crucial. Previous suicidal thoughts snd keeps depression at bay.She will not walk locally from our house incase she sees anybody she knows. By local I mean a 10/15 min car journey. Getting cautioned or worse would be disastrous.

Perfectly reasonable in that case.

I'd have a letter of her difficulties handy just to back up what you're saying.

We don't want 100's of people travelling for exercise but if just the few with genuine need did I can't see it having much effect?

My ds has a physical disability that varies day to day dependent how how well he's doing.

We walk locally when we can but it's quite hilly and rough terrain or extremely muddy.

On bad days I drive 3 miles to the beach. I have his blue badge and would just say he needs the flat concrete surface.

@loopyapp

Might it be worth ringing 101 and asking if a note can be put against your registration?

We live in a small town so when the rules changed last lock down and I could travel for exercise for my ADHD child the local police already knew who we were and were never bothered.

Well not by the police. We were verbally abused by one or two people that haven't received the invisible disabilities memo.

has anyone else done this? I can't believe the police hold a database of notes about exemptions to the non-existent rule that you can't travel for exercise - when the Guidance says you can travel for exercise, and you can travel outside your area if there are health conditions that require this.

I've just said this on another thread,

I count local as a 20-30 min drive as I travel further than that for work.

I realise others won't count that as local however if they didn't want is to all interpret 'local' differently they could have very easily defined the term (e.g no more than 5-10 miles or whatever) as other countries have done.

They haven't defined it, what you are suggesting is perfectly reasonable interpretation of local and you're not increasing the COVID risk so IMO go ahead.

Even if you got fined it wouldn't stand up in court.

@5nugBug @OrangeSamphire
I'm with you on this one. I have got around this by buying some head torches, wrapping up really warmly and going out at night.

It's absolutely dead apart from an occasional car. No one walks at night in these temperatures so it's safe and no one can see her in the dark.

I'd rather lift spirits and walk in the day, but it's the best I've come up with so far as to be stopped by police would be horrific for her. She'd never leave the house at all after that.

It's tricky. My very small village has so many cars here today that they are now parking in the bloody passing spaces - causing havoc on the narrow lane.
I think it's best not to drive to exercise. It would reduce the spread of the virus to keep to your own town or village.
If your daughter wore a woolly hat and face mask would that help her? No one can really recognise her then.

How on earth is a 10-15 minute drive not your local area? Why do you think this isn't allowed? There isn't any rules on how far you can go, there is just guidance to stay in your local area. That doesn't mean round the block.