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Children who don’t consent to a lateral flow test should be treated as positive and sent home

263 replies

user1471505494 · 09/01/2021 14:26

Schools now have much higher numbers attending than in the first lockdown. The lateral flow test was brought into schools to try and keep Staff and pupils as safe as possible.

If a parent or child refuses consent is absolutely their RIGHT to do so and I appreciate that there are many varied reasons for this. It should therefore be the RESPONSIBILITY of the schools to safeguard others and send the child home to self isolate.

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lockdownconfused · 09/01/2021 18:22

@robinwisperer seriously Hmm totally different and you know it!

PugInTheHouse · 09/01/2021 18:23

Of course it is discrimination however there is still an argument that teachers and other children's safety trumps it in this situation. I think it is impossible to know what the right thing is but if everywhere child who possibly can takes the tests and are sticking to the rules then it shouldn't be an issue but we all know this isn't the case!

humhumit · 09/01/2021 18:23

What is it ? How is this test different ? And yes my google is broken

Mumofsend · 09/01/2021 18:23

@lockdownconfused I've never once said that, I said the policy disproportionately impacts SEND children.

It is 100% discriminatory. My child should not be sacrificed to allow the others to attend. The 10 day isolation policy for all close contacts was fair. This is not.

Mumofsend · 09/01/2021 18:24

@lockdownconfused their analogy isn't different at all.

Mumofsend · 09/01/2021 18:27

I'm really intrigued to hear how it is different 🤣

Timbucktime · 09/01/2021 18:27

@SionnachRua

Yanbu. I feel the same way about anti-vaxxers tbh. Fine if you want to refuse it but you shouldn't be allowed into mainstream school.
Would you want special schools also included in that? Majority of students in special schools will be unable to be tested for SARS Cov-2 due to their disability issues
Elsielouise13 · 09/01/2021 18:30

Some students are unable to take the test. Some ASD students simply do not have the capacity to understand or tolerate the test. Lateral flow tests are not reliable. Schools are doing what they can in the vast majority.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 09/01/2021 18:31

Dn is autistic, having the test would cause her a lot of distress. She cannot engage with online learning. Do you really think it would be right to deny her an education?

If that’s the case agree a less
Invasive PCR test instead ?

Compromise a bit

Timbucktime · 09/01/2021 18:32

There are certainly some pretty nasty people on this thread show their awful attitude towards disabled children.

PugInTheHouse · 09/01/2021 18:32

The thing is @Mumofsend you are assuming that people actually are honest and abide by the self isolation rules. My DS2 and 2 other year groups had to SI due to one parent sending their child in for a whole week even though the parents both had covid, turned out the child had it too. The whole of the lower school were sent home as it was too much of a risk as he'd been in school so long with it. Its all very well once a positive test is confirmed but if they have been in school a week with it then there's a huge issue.

And you are right, that analogy is correct, of course it is, I was actually going to use the same one! Unfortunately people will never see hidden disabilities in the same way. I have had it where DSs teachers have told me I need to teach him to try harder not do certain things, I was furious as she wouldn't have told someone in a wheelchair to try harder to walk.

Theunamedcat · 09/01/2021 18:35

@Timbucktime

There are certainly some pretty nasty people on this thread show their awful attitude towards disabled children.
Its a case of im alright Jack and sacrifice the sick the old the disabled because I'm not

I dont have sensory processing disorder (my children do) I struggled to take the dam test its nasty swabbing your throat and the nose makes me want to sneeze and feels revolting

tink09 · 09/01/2021 18:36

As a secondary school teacher, I think this is ridiculous. I don’t like the LF tests in secondary schools. We are relying on 11-16 year olds to swab correctly and they’re not accurate if done incorrectly. We then expect them to do this for 7 days if they’re a close contact to a positive case in school.
We will have issues with my DD as she has issues with her nose and it bleeds at the slightest touch, blood on the swab invalidates the test. (She has had surgery on her nose previously)
We have an ECV person at home and I still disagree with not allowing a child into school for refusing a LF test.

Treaclepie19 · 09/01/2021 18:38

My ds (5) really struggled with the test (he's quite brave with blood tests and injections and things but the test really scared him when he had it. I wouldn't put him through it again but would keep him at home to isolate if he had symptoms.

caringcarer · 09/01/2021 18:40

Sons special secondary school is testing all staff and pupils who are attending twice a week starting on Thursday. All must wear masks too all day long except outdoor PE and outdoor break. Place at school seems to be dependent upon wearing mask and having LF test. Online learning for others.

Mumofsend · 09/01/2021 18:42

@PugInTheHouse it is exactly that sort of scenario where schools should have the powers to refer families for fines as that is deliberately placing an entire school at risk. We had a few sent in with symptoms and I've watched parents do parties.

I'm quite fortunate that DD's school knoe my family well enough by now to know that I'm acutely aware that she and her 1-1 need very close contact so I do everything I can to reduce the risk my DD exposes.

The idea my DD will potentially miss weeks whilst it goes through her class when she is already behind, already struggles to access her learning and all the other barriers she faces fills me with dread. It isn't her or my fault she can't do the test. No amount of reasoning or forcing it is effective.

The whole idea of letting it run through schools instead of isolating is madness regardless!

tink09 · 09/01/2021 18:42

@Thisisworsethananticpated

Dn is autistic, having the test would cause her a lot of distress. She cannot engage with online learning. Do you really think it would be right to deny her an education?

If that’s the case agree a less
Invasive PCR test instead ?

Compromise a bit

@Thisisworsethananticpated Our school is only being of LF testing and we have no alternative for SEN students or those who are unable to tolerate swabs. This means parents/students/staff can’t opt for an alternative
PugInTheHouse · 09/01/2021 18:47

@Mumofsend I hope they were reported to be honest, the whole situation was pretty upsetting and put so many vulnerable people at risk.

Lougle · 09/01/2021 18:48

PugInTheHouse
"Unfortunately people will never see hidden disabilities in the same way. I have had it where DSs teachers have told me I need to teach him to try harder not do certain things, I was furious as she wouldn't have told someone in a wheelchair to try harder to walk."

There is a balance, though. Do we absolve our children with SN of all responsibility? Do we declare that they should be shielded from any uncomfortable, potentially distressing experience? We don't do that for our NT children. DD3 (11) had red, streamy eyes on Monday, after 4 hours sat at the computer doing online learning. I didn't say 'DD3 can't do online learning, it's making her distressed/uncomfortable. I reassured DD3 that although it was quite a shock, it would get easier and she just needs to stick with it.

DD1 started her special secondary having written, at most, 3 lines of writing at one time. When her task was to 'write a story' I contacted the school to say 'wow, you're expecting masses of her.' and they said 'trust us, we'll get her there'. It was absolutely awful for the first half-term, but she did get better at writing. She'll never be a 'writer' but she can write now.

DD1 hates waiting. She finds it really hard. But queues are a feature of society. She has to learn that not everyone will let her go first because she doesn't like to stand in a queue.

I understand that some children will be overwhelmed by their sensory needs and testing will be impossible. But for some children with SN it won't be impossible, just extremely difficult. Those children may need more patience, more coaching, more reassurance, more time, but they can get there.

I think we do children with SN a huge disservice when we exempt them from any tricky moment because they have SN. I know that if DD1 was in mainstream she'd have all sorts of special dispensations and accommodations, 1:1 support, etc., and she'd be far more disabled than she is at special school.

bigvig · 09/01/2021 18:51

The only right you have in a free society is to make your case and try to convince others No-one should be forced to do anything.

Lougle · 09/01/2021 18:51

Thisisworsethananticpated
"If that’s the case agree a less
Invasive PCR test instead ?

Compromise a bit"

The sample collection process is exactly the same for PCR as lateral flow. The only difference is how the swab is processed.

PugInTheHouse · 09/01/2021 18:52

@Lougle I completely agree, DS2 struggles to wear a mask but we insist he does as its the right thing to do, thats just a small example, we don't let him off the hook as such but this was something ridiculous she was asking us to stop him doing. Too often people use excuses for SEN absolutely and I agree with everything you have said. He had his 1st lateral flow test yesterday and was fine but we know his limitations.

Lougle · 09/01/2021 19:02

[quote PugInTheHouse]@Lougle I completely agree, DS2 struggles to wear a mask but we insist he does as its the right thing to do, thats just a small example, we don't let him off the hook as such but this was something ridiculous she was asking us to stop him doing. Too often people use excuses for SEN absolutely and I agree with everything you have said. He had his 1st lateral flow test yesterday and was fine but we know his limitations.[/quote]
Of course you know him best, and if he is genuinely doing his best, then I'd fight tooth and nail to get his needs recognised for the other stuff. DD1 was wearing ear defenders in class a lot, so they wrote her a social story, intending to reduce the use slightly. Unfortunately, the subtlety was lost and the overall message was 'DD1 should not wear ear defenders'. So I said 'you can't take away her coping mechanism without addressing her problem.' We quickly established that the intention had been 'less use' not 'no use', so it's all ok, but I absolutely would have fought it otherwise.

babybythesea · 09/01/2021 19:02

^babybythesea:
I have withheld consent for Dd precisely because I want her out of school if there is any chance she may have it. If someone in her class tests positive, I absolutely want her at home, behaving as though she is positive. I don’t want her having a test which has a low reliability rate, getting a negative result and carrying on with life as normal when in fact it is a false negative and she is busy spreading it.
I would rather she was at home isolating.
It’s academic at the moment though as she’s at home anyway. I’m a TA so she could go in, and if I had to work full time she would as she’s only 11yo (Year 7) so I wouldn’t want to leave her for extended periods. But my head has worked out a rota which means I’m only doing mornings and I don’t mind leaving her for those.^

stCharlotte:
*But what if she is the first in her class or school to show symptoms? Would you still not get her tested?

I can see that you would naturally keep her at home and isolated but without a positive test result how could school implement their positive case protocols?*

In that case, I would definitely get her tested, probably by booking a test at my nearest centre, as she would definitely not be in school if she had symptoms. I’m not against testing full stop. I’m against testing that is unreliable but still could be used instead of isolating.

heLacksnotluster · 09/01/2021 19:05

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