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Is this really legal???

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umpteennamechanges · 07/01/2021 09:47

I had a thread last month about the same thing but now we're in a March style lockdown I'm even more Hmm

My DH is doing a business coaching course, they meet once a month when 20+ people come from all over the UK for a day together in a room with the business coach. It's hosted in London in the Hilton.

Last month I was very unhappy about it since London was in Tier 4 and it seemed totally irresponsible.

I really complained about it to DH who very reluctantly decided not to go (he sulked for a few hours). I'm not CEV but am in the 'more vulnerable' get a free flu jab group. We have a 66 year old lodger and we were meeting his parents in their 70s for Xmas the following week.

Anyway...we've gone into lockdown now, the case numbers are crazy, the new variant is spreading like wildfire. It didn't even cross my mind that it would go ahead in person this month.

DH has just informed me that it is going ahead next week.

That the Hilton have advised that it's perfectly legal to have a business meeting with 20+ people coming on public transport from all over the UK.

This seems fucking crazy.

I can't see that it's on the list of exceptions on the Govt website?

Can anyone find how this is supposedly legal?

Because I haven't reported anything but if this isn't legal I'm going to report it TBH.

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applecharlotte12 · 07/01/2021 11:31

I'm a career coach and teach on a university coaching course. We moved all delivery online back in March. It was really challenging due to the interpersonal nature of coaching + the hassle of rewriting and redesigning large sections of the programme at short notice but with hardwork it has translated well.

It was absolutely the right thing to do in terms of safety for students and staff.

I would question the ethics of a coach who isn't prioritising his clients/students safety and well being and still working face to face with people.

I hope he has good professional indemnity insurance cover in place...

CheetasOnFajitas · 07/01/2021 11:32

its the last chance to see each other face to face as it's the last one of the course.

Ha ha ha ha that was said with a straight face? So this coach really thinks that all the millions of people conducting business remotely, not seeing family and friends face to face, in some cases not being able to see DYING PEOPLE for the last time “face to face” are just, what, not all that fussed really about seeing people in person anyway?

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umpteennamechanges · 07/01/2021 11:37

@Justiceishalfblind

gosh that's really bad. I never thought I would say this but I really hope the Daily Mail picks this up. Would you contact them OP?

Oh god. I don't know.

Do I have enough time to perfect my Daily Mail sad face?

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umpteennamechanges · 07/01/2021 11:39

DH just wandered in.

He knows about the tweeting. He doesn't mind - it's the sort of thing he's come to expect from me.

I did say I really wanted to complain to his coach, but I know it will embarrass him so haven't. He didn't say anything and just played with the cat as an awkward distraction technique/silence filler. So yeah...he'd be pretty mad if I complained to the coach.

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umpteennamechanges · 07/01/2021 11:40

@CheetasOnFajitas

its the last chance to see each other face to face as it's the last one of the course.

Ha ha ha ha that was said with a straight face? So this coach really thinks that all the millions of people conducting business remotely, not seeing family and friends face to face, in some cases not being able to see DYING PEOPLE for the last time “face to face” are just, what, not all that fussed really about seeing people in person anyway?

This is a very good point and one I shall use as a counter point when we inevitably discuss his attendance further.

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umpteennamechanges · 07/01/2021 11:41

I may accompany it with handing over an invisible object.

When he asks what it's supposed to be, it will of course be "a fucking grip" in true MN style.

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umpteennamechanges · 07/01/2021 11:43

It's a shame there isn't a way of summoning the DM to a thread when you actually want them.

Kind of like a bat signal.

But...well...a sad face maybe?

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CheetasOnFajitas · 07/01/2021 11:45

I think that quite a lot of people, including the best head coach here, are having serious trouble processing the idea that the response to the pandemic means that we just can’t do some things, even though we really really want to do them.

Much like a toddler who is told “No you can’t have chocolate for breakfast”.
“But I want to, waaaah! “

CheetasOnFajitas · 07/01/2021 11:45

Best head= meat head

time4anothername · 07/01/2021 11:46

thinking some more about this, seems this coach is modelling how he got to the top and how some get to the top, a fuck you attitude to anything but your own self promotion and stepping on others to get there. Nice irony that he sells fitness.

Bringing people into London and back out again on public transport at the moment when the new variant is raging as witnessed by the overwhelm of London hospitals is extraordinarily selfish and ignorant behaviour, imagine the power this coach feels though when his willing disciples do as he bids?

Respect to you OP for standing up to this.

Xenia · 07/01/2021 11:48

It is lawful and if people stop doing this mind of thing we will not have the tax revenue to pay nurses and many people might die as a result. So these people are just as much heroes as nurses really when you get down to it. Without those working and generating taxes in since March 2020 the country would be even more on its knees.

CheetasOnFajitas · 07/01/2021 11:51

He’s not being asked to cancel his course Xenia, just to take it online.

Gwenhwyfar · 07/01/2021 11:52

@lljkk

It's work.
But it's not work that can't be done online so why is it allowed?
atswim2birds · 07/01/2021 11:52

It is lawful and if people stop doing this mind of thing we will not have the tax revenue to pay nurses and many people might die as a result. So these people are just as much heroes as nurses really when you get down to it

They could do it on zoom, the tax is already paid on this endeavour, and there is always money for nurses.

No, life coaches on a jolly day in the Hilton are not heroes same as the nurses. Is this satire? Who can tell anymore?

GetOffYourHighHorse · 07/01/2021 11:57

'No, life coaches on a jolly day in the Hilton are not heroes same as the nurses. Is this satire? Who can tell anymore?'

Yes it is very worrying indeed that a pp thinks a business coach course is on par with being a HCP. It is not essential work that cannot be done from home.

Oreservoir · 07/01/2021 11:59

@Xenia ha ha.
Oh, you’re serious!
Biscuit.

CallmeAngelina · 07/01/2021 12:02

How is it any worse than what is happening in classrooms all around the country, even now they're meant to be "closed?"

Either the virus transmits easily or it doesn't. The reasons for the meet-ups doesn't stop that.

Hoppinggreen · 07/01/2021 12:02

She usually is

Hoppinggreen · 07/01/2021 12:03

It’s no worse or better than being in a classroom but OP isn’t in a position to do anything about that.

minipie · 07/01/2021 12:05

@atswim2birds

You are allowed to meet in groups for work I'm sure?

Only if essential, only if it can't be done from home/remotely, and only if covid secure.

This sounds like none of those things, so is not allowed.

Agree
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umpteennamechanges · 07/01/2021 12:05

@Xenia

It is lawful and if people stop doing this mind of thing we will not have the tax revenue to pay nurses and many people might die as a result. So these people are just as much heroes as nurses really when you get down to it. Without those working and generating taxes in since March 2020 the country would be even more on its knees.

I mean. Does it occur to you that this thread is full of tax paying heroes?

I'm a tax paying hero. Until January I earned six figures so I've paid a lot of tax.

I guess that makes me a superhero

And as a superhero I declare this face to face training a nonsense.

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umpteennamechanges · 07/01/2021 12:07

@CallmeAngelina

How is it any worse than what is happening in classrooms all around the country, even now they're meant to be "closed?"

Either the virus transmits easily or it doesn't. The reasons for the meet-ups doesn't stop that.

I would argue that educating children so that nurses and doctors and other key workers can continue to work during a pandemic is ever so slightly different to teaching a few personal trainers how to advertise better when they can't actually provide their services at the moment anyway

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onlychildandhamster · 07/01/2021 12:09

@Xenia People do wfh and pay taxes...

I would understand if it was a building site or he was a supervisor at a warehouse... But a talk can surely be via Zoom.

Parker231 · 07/01/2021 12:09

I ran a course yesterday. Forty people attended - all online with slides and Q&A session. Had excellent feedback.
There is no way I would be running at f2f at the moment as there is an alternative.

Needclarity · 07/01/2021 12:14

It’s shockingly reckless and should be stopped. I would contact both the course organiser and the Hilton and ask for it to be postponed.

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