Covid 19 case in private nursery with worker - DNephew exposed

[CleverCatty]

Probably been done to death here but my DNephew (2.5 years) is currently being tested for Covid 19 as his main nursery worker (who he's spent past 2 days with) has tested positive for Covid 19. They're in a large city in SW England, private nursery.

Several people in the house they live in (DBro staying with relatives) including DBro have chronic health conditions which make them vulnerable.

I know it was DBro and his DW decision to send DNephew to nursery but surely private nurseries should have been shut too or have better protection in place?

@CleverCatty

or have better protection in place

Why do people insist on sending kids to nursery (I don't mean those who have no other option obviously) only to start blaming staff and nurseries when they are exposed/infected?

[quote trulydelicious]@CleverCatty

or have better protection in place

Why do people insist on sending kids to nursery (I don't mean those who have no other option obviously) only to start blaming staff and nurseries when they are exposed/infected?[/quote]
Like I said before DBro is at home - his DW WFH but also his inlaws (whom he's currently living with) are both at home - MIL teacher who's now WFH, FIL is disabled.

Bit hard to have a toddler running around with all of them. So therefore he was sent to nursery.

He won't be sent to nursery going forwards.

@Rubinia

You did blame the nursery worker. I get it, you're worried about your brother. Fact is, if he's that vulnerable he'll have to keep toddler home and/or employ nanny if that's not possible. You can't blame the nursery.

But, I agree with what you say, but I think nursery should either be closed or only open for keyworkers' children.

@SendHelp30

Is your brother a keyworker?

no but his MIL whom he lives is - was - she's a teacher - so she's been going into school.

Your MIL being a key worker will not get your DB a nursery place for his child if they are only open for keyworkers! I also find all this blaming of nursery bizarre when your MIL has been going into school and mixing with presumably dozens of children up to now? Surely this was a far greater risk to your FIL and DB but instead you are complaining about a setting where your DB actively chose to send his child and from where your nephew might possibly pick up the virus from a worker there? You have to see that you are being completely unreasonable - if your DB was so worried about the risks of COVID how did he think moving into a house with a teacher was going to improve matters?

I think nursery should either be closed or only open for keyworkers' children.

So your DBro could have kept the child at home but chose not to and your solution is to remove the choice from all parents? That is quite unreasonable tbh. It is understandable that you are frustrated by the situation but people do have a responsibility to take care of themselves and their families too. DBro gambled by sending his son to nursery. I hope DNephew is negative, but either way the responsibility lies with DBro and SIL.

Bit hard to have a toddler running around with all of them. So therefore he was sent to nursery.

A bit hard? How do you think it's going for everyone else?

You don’t get a KW place for your child based on their grandparents profession. Talk about taking the piss

Part of the reason my DBro moved from London to SW England was not only his health but the fact that a mother in the nursery his DS attended in London, came back from abroad with Covid 19 - didn't tell anyone, and sent her son to nursery - again a private one.

Your family seems prone to bizarre decision making.

Covid doesn't turn away at the door of private nurseries you know. There's only so much staff can do with kids who literally spend half their day licking each other and coughing and sneezing everywhere.

Fucking hell. Four adults at home and the child was still sent it. Your family must be is so special 👀

@SendHelp30

You don’t get a KW place for your child based on their grandparents profession. Talk about taking the piss

I didn't say the child should have a KW place - I wasn't saying that at all.

@DrinkFeckArseGirls

Fucking hell. Four adults at home and the child was still sent it. Your family must be is so special 👀

Look this is DBro's family and his MIL/FIL and his DW - they are not the easiest people at the best of times to deal with. DBro is very much guided by them as to what to do especially re childcare and sending his DS into nursery. He would be quite happy and was before, when they lived in a separate rented cottage in the area to have kept his DS at home. Circumstances changed therefore no rented cottage.

If it were me and my child which it isn't then yes, I would've kept them at home regardless.

And then I wouldn't be blaming anyone.

@Orf1abc

Part of the reason my DBro moved from London to SW England was not only his health but the fact that a mother in the nursery his DS attended in London, came back from abroad with Covid 19 - didn't tell anyone, and sent her son to nursery - again a private one.

Your family seems prone to bizarre decision making.

How is that bizarre?

They decided to move like a lot of other families to SW England where they have family rather than be in an inner city London area where transmission rates are/were very high and the issue with the nursery there was a factor so they told me.

@ChloeCrocodile

I think nursery should either be closed or only open for keyworkers' children.

So your DBro could have kept the child at home but chose not to and your solution is to remove the choice from all parents? That is quite unreasonable tbh. It is understandable that you are frustrated by the situation but people do have a responsibility to take care of themselves and their families too. DBro gambled by sending his son to nursery. I hope DNephew is negative, but either way the responsibility lies with DBro and SIL.

I agree here - DBro did gamble (and so did his DW) - with sending his son to nursery.

There is no way on earth I'd be sending him to nursery especially as DBro isn't working now so could and did supply childcare.

I suppose I am and so are they, frustrated about this.

Doesn't help that DBro in past couple of weeks has got very depressed (very unlike him) and is on medication and awaiting therapy for this. Maybe the latter clouded his judgement, who knows?

People saying that they won't put their children through the test...yes it is horrible, but one of the excuses the government is making for keeping nurseries fully open and not funding us properly through this is that there are much lower cases amongst under fives. In our experience in the sector, there aren't, just as many catch it, they just aren't tested, so don't show up in the figures.

Also, for those saying that nursery workers should be more careful outside of work, my colleagues are the most sensible people I know. They are ALL sticking very strictly to the rules and basically isolating when they're not at work, which isn't hard when you're at nursery for 53 hours a week, but we still have to go food shopping.

My nursery has four members of staff in one room ill with the virus at the moment, caught from a child that had been sent in dosed up on calpol for a fever, that became evident later in the morning when it wore off. When we called the parents to collect, Gran answered the phone and told us that the child had had a fever in the night, but it went down with the calpol, so they must be fine. She then dropped the bombshell that the child's parent had tested positive a few days before and the child was staying with her until they recovered.

And while we're on the subject, most nursery workers are not very young, all the nurseries I've worked in has had far more over 30s than under.

Don't blame the nursery workers. We don't like this situation any more than you do.

sams that is f^*+ing terrifying.

Having children sent in ill and being told that they're not ill is unbelievable common in all nurseries and primary schools I've ever worked in. If I had a pound every time a child throws up and then tell us that they were sick in the night too, yet we were told they were fine, "just a bit tired" at drop off, I'd have considerably more money!

@SamsMumsCateracts

People saying that they won't put their children through the test...yes it is horrible, but one of the excuses the government is making for keeping nurseries fully open and not funding us properly through this is that there are much lower cases amongst under fives. In our experience in the sector, there aren't, just as many catch it, they just aren't tested, so don't show up in the figures.

Also, for those saying that nursery workers should be more careful outside of work, my colleagues are the most sensible people I know. They are ALL sticking very strictly to the rules and basically isolating when they're not at work, which isn't hard when you're at nursery for 53 hours a week, but we still have to go food shopping.

My nursery has four members of staff in one room ill with the virus at the moment, caught from a child that had been sent in dosed up on calpol for a fever, that became evident later in the morning when it wore off. When we called the parents to collect, Gran answered the phone and told us that the child had had a fever in the night, but it went down with the calpol, so they must be fine. She then dropped the bombshell that the child's parent had tested positive a few days before and the child was staying with her until they recovered.

And while we're on the subject, most nursery workers are not very young, all the nurseries I've worked in has had far more over 30s than under.

Don't blame the nursery workers. We don't like this situation any more than you do.

Interesting post and thanks for posting the details. Makes a lot of sense.

I do feel for the nursery workers. It's good they are all sticking very strictly to the rules too.

My DD now 2 was one of the young children who was part of a trial with PHE that allowed them to test young children. Before then the government was refusing to test under 5s. My DD was not distressed by being swabbed.

Anyway your post, OP, is batshit.

If there are vulnerable members in the household then you simply don't send children to a childcare environment with lots of other children like a nursery, or you don't send them to any external childcare at all.

This is because those who work with young children have to be close up and personal with them. Childcare workers cannot wear PPE.

In addition each child is a household so if there are 35 other children, that is a minimum of 35 households a child is mixing with.

@RedMarauder

My DD now 2 was one of the young children who was part of a trial with PHE that allowed them to test young children. Before then the government was refusing to test under 5s. My DD was not distressed by being swabbed.

Anyway your post, OP, is batshit.

If there are vulnerable members in the household then you simply don't send children to a childcare environment with lots of other children like a nursery, or you don't send them to any external childcare at all.

This is because those who work with young children have to be close up and personal with them. Childcare workers cannot wear PPE.

In addition each child is a household so if there are 35 other children, that is a minimum of 35 households a child is mixing with.

Yeah ok - think I've got the message now!

As I stated before in a few posts - it is NOT me who's sending a child to nursery and if I had vulnerable people in the household I wouldn't send a child to nursery. This is all down to DBro and his family.

I still think nurseries should remain closed and only open for keyworkers children.

I also didn't know (so it's good to be informed) of what measures are in place for childcare workers/nursery workers.

I also didn't know (so it's good to be informed) of what measures are in place for childcare workers/nursery workers.

It will vary but I know at my workplace the answer is 'not much'. We have a machine to disinfect the building each day. We are to wear masks in staff areas and when answering the door to parents (just staff, parents don't have to) but not in the rooms with the children. That's it, everything else has always been in place such as hand washing, hand gel, gloves and aprons for nappy changes. We try to distance from each other where possible but generally you can't. And you definitely can't distance from the children!