Covid 19 case in private nursery with worker - DNephew exposed

[CleverCatty]

Probably been done to death here but my DNephew (2.5 years) is currently being tested for Covid 19 as his main nursery worker (who he's spent past 2 days with) has tested positive for Covid 19. They're in a large city in SW England, private nursery.

Several people in the house they live in (DBro staying with relatives) including DBro have chronic health conditions which make them vulnerable.

I know it was DBro and his DW decision to send DNephew to nursery but surely private nurseries should have been shut too or have better protection in place?

And I will also say that the nursery/ childminders are some of the most responsible people I know, regarding contact that could transmit the virus. I for one am very happy that they don't have to wear PPE, etc, in daily routine with my 1 year old. Risk for them but a massive benefit for her

the workers are at risk of catching the virus they should be more careful etc if they then come into work

Sorry, you would like the minimum waged to be more careful to protect those who can afford private nurseries? Interesting.
Your brother was a fool to send him in if he is vulnerable.

Nurseries should be open for Keyworkers only. And I say that as an Early Years worker. If we are serious about reducing transmission of Covid in our communities and trying to lessen the burden on our hospitals then we need to stop non essential gatherings of kids! The risk to the kids families and the staff is not fair. In nursery children cough and sneeze in our faces every day, zero chance of social distancing. I'm 52, at my age Covid could be very serious.

It would be really dangerous and negligent for nursery workers to try to distance from young children and much worse than the negligible risk of covid. Closing nurseries will lead to parents trying to care for children while working which is also dangerous- a child died as a result of this in the first lockdown. If parents are worried for themselves they can choose not to send their child in - 1 in 50 people have covid now so it is quite likely that someone in any nursery will have it. Nursery staff on average are quite young so won’t be vaccinated for a long time meaning there is likely to be some covid spread in nurseries indefinitely. How long do you want them closed for?

Young children aren’t likely to get ill from covid, will probably get it at some point anyway since they’re unlikely to be vaccinated at any time soon and their development has already been negatively affected this year so it really isn’t in their interest to shut nurseries. If they close nurseries I may well have to give up work to look after my 10m old which will cost the UK about 35k a year on the tax I would have paid. That could probably save a life or two if that went towards funding the nhs.

Nurseries should be open for Keyworkers only. And I say that as an Early Years worker.

I agree. I know there's lots of talk of younger children being less likely to catch it and less likely to be seriously unwell- that's great news of course-but that doesn't help the staff! Staff who can only protect themselves by washing their hands more.

@CleverCatty ventilation does play a big factor in transmission yes, currently very understated by the govt but more than people seem to realise. Its why a lot of nurseries are spending a lot more of the time outside.

There also definitely seems to be a massive blame culture with this virus. The reality is that some people get it by breaking rules but many people also get it from not breaking rules. It's also airborne in smaller droplets that build up in reduced ventilated areas. Research has shown this. This means anyone can get it if unlucky to be in a environment with this for a time period it's why hospitals are seeing cases, supermarkets etc so please don't presume that the nursery worker hasn't been careful.

I hope your nephew is negative but in the meantime if your dsis can isolate with your nephew then this will hopefully reduce the risk to others in the house. Also a lot of research has shown that children are less likely to pass on the virus to adults but this is a bit unknown with the new strain.

My sons nursery had a positive case the whole bubble isolated and no one else tested positive due to them being outside constantly so hopefully your nephew will be the same.

Yabu! They chose to send him knowing the risks. THEY should have been more careful not the poor sick woman who probably can't afford to stay home and gets paid a minimum wage.

The press have been reporting 1in 50 have the virus so how could anyone think the risk was low currently?

If you choose to attend a group setting with no PPE or SD then the risks are known.

I'm getting fed up when I keep hearing all nursery staff are young - we are not.

surely private nurseries should have been shut too or have better protection in place?

Surely parents can risk assess and make their own judgment calls? What sodding protection were you anticipating for staff who have been told it’s business as usual and that masks are a no-go with young kids? The government has thrown EY staff under a bus.

Sincerely,
Person juggling critical work with caring for a three year old despite nursery being open

So, I'm a nursery nurse working in a private nursery. To enable me to go to work my own dd has had to take up a keyworker place at school. Her school has around 50% of the children on roll attending at the moment. As a family we stuck to the rules completely over Christmas. I know that at least 8 of the children in my dds bubble at school mixed with multiple people outside their household on multiple days over the two week Christmas holiday- I know this to be fact as one set of the parents is my brother and sister in law and the others are their circle of friends. So here I am as a nursery nurse with a child attending school with children of parents who couldn't care less about the rules, these children potentially carrying and passing covid on to me which I in theory could take into my nursery - a situation out of my control! I actually find the comment that nursery staff should be more careful patronising and offensive.

@CleverCatty

I'm not blaming the nursery as such but surely if the workers are at risk of catching the virus they should be more careful etc if they then come into work.

Yes you are, you are taking the piss. Most of us don’t want to be open, most of us would prefer to close.
We have been saying for ages that children spread it, we work with no social distancing and no PPE.

How would you like us to be more careful. Give your head a wobble.

The nursery isn’t immune to Covid, it’s a breeding ground for germs. Think about all it entails.

You are taking the mick by blaming the staff if you don't know if they acted inappropriately or not. I had a headache initially. No other covid symptoms. You clearly don't know how this virus works for some people. You sound angry and keen to place the blame somewhere.

The more people you mix with the more chance you have of catching it.
It's hardly rocket science, the parents obviously weren't worried about the chronic illness.

You have presented all the reasons why your DB decided that your nephew had to be at nursery with in-laws working, them working etc etc but then suggest that nurseries should have been directed to close?! You'd be the first person on here then complaining about how impossible it was for people to work.

It’s the parents fault for sending him if they’re vulnerable. Nursery staff have children to feed and bills to pay, too. They need to work and all also at risk, as your nephews keyworker has proven by becoming poorly. There’s no blame here.

I am very grateful nurseries are open and can’t thank the staff enough. My daughter will be going in so I can work and keep a roof over our head/not have a breakdown.

You don’t have a child in nursery so with respect I don’t think you should be judging others parents or commenting on of nurserys should be shut.

people need to manage their own level of risks and not judge others for their carefully considered decisions.

None of this is easy for anyone

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/566718

Of do fuck off with that petition

You are being ridiculous to suggest this is somehow the poor nursery workers fault NOWHERE is safe. Do you think that those who work in schools and nurseries should be locking themselves away from the outside world? Assuming she hasn’t been attending wild parties then no doubt she has just been living her life pretty much within the rules like everyone else. Unbelievable that you would think like this.

@missyB1

Nurseries should be open for Keyworkers only. And I say that as an Early Years worker. If we are serious about reducing transmission of Covid in our communities and trying to lessen the burden on our hospitals then we need to stop non essential gatherings of kids! The risk to the kids families and the staff is not fair. In nursery children cough and sneeze in our faces every day, zero chance of social distancing. I'm 52, at my age Covid could be very serious.

Exactly - open for keyworkers only.

@MarcelineMissouri

You are being ridiculous to suggest this is somehow the poor nursery workers fault NOWHERE is safe. Do you think that those who work in schools and nurseries should be locking themselves away from the outside world? Assuming she hasn’t been attending wild parties then no doubt she has just been living her life pretty much within the rules like everyone else. Unbelievable that you would think like this.

I'm not saying it is the poor nursery worker's fault by any means - I'm just saying the contact she's had with children, other staff and anyone she knows outside work and there's more risk.

And for the person who says my brother was a fool for sending him in - yes this is agreed but the area was far less risky (part of why they've moved temporarily) and they've also had to move in with his inlaws for now - a toddler around them all day isn't great - especially for FIL who is a stroke recoverer and prone to outbursts (due to the stroke).

You absolutely did blame the nursery worker saying surely they should be more careful. This is disgusting victim blaming. This individual has been attending work everyday, aware of the high risk of them contracting covid, and knowing that many of the DC didn't really need to be there (such as your nephew). To blame them is absolutely disgraceful. I hope your brother has had more sense than to blame them in any communication with the nursery. You all seem to be very uneducated about the transmission levels of covid, or maybe just naive? Perhaps this is the wake up call you all need?

Fingers crossed that that poor nursery worker is ok

Is your brother a keyworker?

You did blame the nursery worker. I get it, you're worried about your brother. Fact is, if he's that vulnerable he'll have to keep toddler home and/or employ nanny if that's not possible. You can't blame the nursery.