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BadTattoosAndSmellLikeBooze · 07/01/2021 23:40

Thank goodness we have people with real knowledge making the decisions. The amount of people who seem to think they know better is shocking and a bit embarrassing. The information is out there, educate yourself instead of talking absolute rubbish.

SootBusters · 07/01/2021 23:41

Yes I am sorry but you are being unreasonable. If the government set up vacination centres and had people on standby. Then the Jab turns out to be no good, they would have got shot for wasting millions and giving people false hope. I think they are right to give it to the most at risk groups first. You come across as very selfish like you have more right to the vaccine than others. The fact is you don't, deal with it. As for the government dealing with this, a financial meltdown and Brexit is a tough ask for any government. Cameron and May couldn't cope with just Brexit, Brown couldn't cope with just the financial meltdown. I think credit where it's due, under the circumstances, they have done okay. Any finger pointing should be aimed at China, they knew and they kept quiet whilst it spread across the world. Think of that when you buy on line and it says made in China. It is they who you should be angry with! Good health to you.

Clusterfckintolerant · 07/01/2021 23:46

It's a mess. Yet again. Quelle surprise.

Justlovedogs · 07/01/2021 23:50

I haven't read the full thread (come into it far too late), but think I've read enough to get the general gist.
As someone in their late 40s, full time worker who is currently at home recovering from Covid and has several work colleagues who have had it too, I fully support the vaccination policy. The vast majority of us will have what I've had. A flu-like illness that makes you feel crap for a spell. You rest up, take paracetamol, drink lots, accept that your food tastes crap and get on with it. I've felt lousy for a fortnight and will hopefully be back at work on Monday. It's shit, but life. A much older person (over 70's), whose immune system is naturally compromised by age, is far less likely to shake this off in the same way, is more likely to need a hospital bed and is more likely to die. Some of the attitudes on here all read so 'me, me, me' (I need the vaccine because I work, is what i hear), I personally find it quite scary. No, you need to suck it up and suffer a little if you're ill for the benefit of everyone else, to keep the NHS functioning and available to those that really need it.
Life is never without risk; it is all about reducing the risk to a level that is acceptable.
OK, soap box rant over. I'm off to have a cough in peace and a sleep; that's the most amount of thinking I've managed since before Christmas!

trulydelicious · 08/01/2021 00:07

@hopsalong

The question is how to redistribute wealth downwards to help children catch up

Maybe the elderly have earned their wealth and they should be the ones to spend it as they themselves see fit? Why do you think it should be dictated to them how they should spend their money or 'redistribute' it?

trulydelicious · 08/01/2021 00:14

@SallyB392

the priority list is in relationship to the expendability of groups

What a horrendous thing to say!

trulydelicious · 08/01/2021 00:15

@Quinn1964

Your children are at home safe not fighting a world war which my 23 year old grandad never came back from

^This

trulydelicious · 08/01/2021 00:20

@Flyonawalk

hard-working young people today

There are hard-working people of all ages. A lot of young people are slobs.

Also, not only kids and the young deserve to have 'experiences', elderly people have the right to enjoyment too, you know

Foquita · 08/01/2021 00:25

It is hard for children yes but this situation will also teach them resilience. I have two teenagers and perhaps because I come from a country were there’s lots of poverty and unrest I try to instil in them to value and cherish what they have, to be grateful they are healthy and for them to realise they actually have it a lot easier here in UK compared to children in other countries were unrest and struggle has always be there in their lives, they haven’t got access to education or can’t even live their houses without risking their lives, a walk in town even during the pandemic would be a dream for them.

hopsalong · 08/01/2021 00:30

@PinkTonic. You're missing the point. I'm in my early 40s and I've been very lucky too. I made a fair amount of money in a job in finance (which I got with no relevant qualifications) and the housing market in the 00s. My generation (X, though I'm at the very tail end of it) was very fortunate, like the baby boomers. I had an assisted place at a private school and a free university education. The people I feel sorry for are those now under 40. I see them working far harder than I or my parents ever did, for a fraction of the reward. So actually no, I don't think I 'earned' the hundreds of thousands of pounds of equity I made by buying a house I wanted to live in in the 2000s. I did work hard but so do very large numbers of people. It's about sharing things out.

Also, there was IVF for the baby boomers. It was just beginning, but it was there. Louise Brown was born in 1978. There was also a full week of good quality care in an NHS hospital with a normal birth. When my mother came to the crowded, dirty ward where I had my first child she was completely horrified by the deterioration.

There is a natural human desire to believe in meliorism. But it's often a fallacy.

Duemarch2021 · 08/01/2021 00:30

What really pisses me off is the fact they were 'pouring' the vaccine away when it hadn't been claimed quickly enough... my 71 year old dad with severe asthma has been taking my 92 year old nan for her vaccine. Whilst he was there he asked of he could have his.. they said no ... (i understand its not quite as simple as that as they'd have to have records of who they have given it to etc) but then they pour it away as its shelf life has been reached!

trulydelicious · 08/01/2021 00:44

@hopsalong

Your posts are turning more and more mellow.

Better hold on tight to all those riches you have managed to amass before some of those little angels you are so keen to protect decide you are now an 'oldie' and nick them.

Flyonawalk · 08/01/2021 00:48

@trulydelicious I don’t think anyone has claimed that only the young deserve to have experiences, rather that children have a basic need to experience the world in order to develop. It is not just about enjoying themselves, rather about developing into healthy and functional people.

As for your point to another poster, that ‘the elderly have earned their wealth’ and should decide how to spend it - no one whose earnings takes them into a tax bracket is allowed to make that call! Decisions are made for all tax payers about what happens to a portion of our money.

Defenbaker · 08/01/2021 00:49

I think the govt have done a good job on the vaccine front. They pre-ordered millions of vaccine doses, they found a way to distribute and handle the roll out of the delicate Pfizer vaccine (AKA the most needy vaccine ever created!), they've employed the army to help with logistics and they have taken advice from scientists on the way to save as many lives as possible with the first wave of vaccations.

It's tough for many working age people to be coping with work and childcare, along with home schooling issues, but their difficulties don't trump the fact that more lives (and hospital bed space/time) will be saved by vaccinating the elderly and ECV people first, than by vaccinating the working age population.

It's been very hard for elderly people who have been shielding for 9 months, many living in fear and isolation - 9 months is a lot of time for someone who is drawing near to the end of their life and may only have a year or two left. My MIL (86) has been very down at times and cannot wait for her jab. She has had a hard life in many ways but is very pragmatic and tries to be independent, but struggles with masks as she wears hearing aids and glasses, and her hands are a bit shaky, so she has barely left her house in months. Being old is tough and I'm sad that so many people on this thread seem to lack empathy for elderly people.

Toomuchtrouble4me · 08/01/2021 00:56

@BathFullOfEels

They knew a vaccine would be the only way of getting us out of this mess. The country has already been locked down twice. Why, why, why didn’t they use this time to set up the logistics of distributing and administering these vaccines?

Why, why, why are the government allowed to decide who to prioritise to receive these vaccines when they were always going to distribute in a way that benefits them. Surely any government with an ounce of realism would be self aware enough to realise that they would make this vaccine distribution a political decision and instead allow the decision to be made by an independent third party who can distribute it in a way that would allow the country to get back to work. Instead it’s likely that months and months down the line we’ll all be forced to go back to work despite still be unprotected.

I have visions of pensioners being able to swan off on holiday over the summer while the workers of the country will still be unable to.

It’s an absolute fucking farce. Watching that press conference last night just finally made it snap for me - they genuinely don’t know what they’re doing at all

It’s not about a fucking pensioners holiday - it’s about saving their lives! They were workers too you know . What a selfish bloody attitude.

QueenPawPaws · 08/01/2021 01:38

@Defenbaker just to add because I think it's important that the elderly were never asked to shield because of age, it's a small number of conditions that people had to shield for. Also a lot of those are working age people with children and jobs

Not directed at you but there's been a lot of people saying the elderly have had to shield and it's not the right info! My parents are in their 70s and have been out and about the whole time including restaurants/pubs/shopping where I've been inside for nearly 11 months. The fact that ECV aren't elderly seems to be missed a lot

Didkdt · 08/01/2021 01:52

[quote Flyonawalk]@trulydelicious I don’t think anyone has claimed that only the young deserve to have experiences, rather that children have a basic need to experience the world in order to develop. It is not just about enjoying themselves, rather about developing into healthy and functional people.

As for your point to another poster, that ‘the elderly have earned their wealth’ and should decide how to spend it - no one whose earnings takes them into a tax bracket is allowed to make that call! Decisions are made for all tax payers about what happens to a portion of our money.[/quote]
They pay their taxes for the benefit of all but you don’t get to appropriate the non taxed portion you understand that right? Because your post doesn’t make that clear.

Defenbaker · 08/01/2021 01:58

@QueenPawPaws Yes, valid point. MIL did not receive a letter telling her to shield, she just made that decision herself, because she follows the news carefully and feels that she would be unlikely to survive Covid if she caught it. She says "I'm old and have got to die sometime, but I don't want to die like that, on a ventilator." The scenes on the news and accounts from NHS medics make me feel that her caution is justified.

Here's hoping the vaccination programme goes well, and that everyone receives their jab over the next few months. Maybe by late summer these squabbles will be a thing of the past, and everyone can live their lives fully once more. All lives matter, but it's not possible to vaccinate everyone instantly, so someone had to decide who goes first. I'm glad it's not me having to make the decisions.

Dontletitbeyou · 08/01/2021 03:26

The elderly are being offered the vaccine first as they are the most at risk if they catch it , a point that is lost on Op , who just comes across as selfish and uncaring . Sure kids should be out living their lives but they are much less at risk of dying than someone who is in their 70’s and above . Also take on board the comments regarding years ago when young men were asked to go to war for their country . I know some will shake their heads and say yes but we’re not living through a war right now . We absolutely are , only it doesn’t involve the military .
There is still a lot of people who don’t trust the jab and won’t have it . It’s been stated by experts that there needs to be at least a 70% take up of the jab for it to reach efficacy in getting this virus under some type of control. I don’t see 70% accepting the jab , so in reality everyone saying ‘oh give it 12 months and things will be better ‘ are , in my opinion living in total denial . Covid isn’t going anywhere , any time soon , and shitty as it is we have to accept that for the foreseeable , life isn’t going to return to ‘ normal’ or anything like it . I really hope I’m proved wrong and this time next year everything is back to normal and we can all resume our everyday lives like before , but I don’t think so .
Agree with @SootBusters, if you’re looking to lay blame somewhere , you need look no further than China . This is down to them and their pathological avoidance of honesty and demand for compliance and control of their people .

lovelemoncurd · 08/01/2021 03:55

There are so many different discussion topics going on on this one thread it's ridiculous!

Why we need to vaccinate by age: because they are the ones getting ill and filling up the NHS.

If there is no capacity left in the NHS then people will start to die at home of everything else. Children will die at home etc etc!

Why haven't we got vaccines: because the government batch testing is taking too long.

Schools and teachers: yes obviously they need protecting but they are not the ones filling NHS beds at the moment.

Smileyk · 08/01/2021 05:58

My husband works in the funeral industry, so pretty damn essential. Does he get a priority vaccine?! Nope! That's really not a sensible decision, we already know of companies closing because of positive tests or self isolation. The mind boggles.

Ticketybootoo · 08/01/2021 07:06

I think that the real truth is around that the number of hospital beds has reduced through successive governments closing them over the last 30 years ( ex nurse qualified in 1989) . What surprises me is that no journalist has mentioned this . The dependency of each patient /degree of illness is far greater than it used to be . I think the vaccine is being given to the elderly simply because NHS is swamped and they don’t want to swamp it more. What makes me angry is that they haven’t begun to address the issue of the 50,000 nurse vacancies .....

Justbrutallyhonest · 08/01/2021 07:07

They get the vaccines because there the ones dying! You want them to dye 80% of deaths are in the over 80s, but what? They will be dead soon anyway so no need to waste vaccine?

Oh ps I caught covid had it for 3 weeks and as I have a health condition I didn’t leave the house 2 weeks before I got it and only saw 1 person in those 2 weeks, 1 person - so it happens!!!!

whenwillthemadnessend · 08/01/2021 07:20

Yes five year olds need play and experiences but this will be a distant memory for them in 20 years with good parenting admit there are some that dont get this. .

I have teens and believe me it's no fun for them either

rookiemere · 08/01/2021 07:32

If the UK are having to prioritise the elderly because of lack of funding of the NHS, how come other countries with different health care systems are also starting with the oldest?

Could it be that this is the quickest way to reduce most deaths and hospitalisations from covid, rather than some sinister ploy to hide underfunding of the NHS?