I’m just angry now

[BathFullOfEels]

They knew a vaccine would be the only way of getting us out of this mess. The country has already been locked down twice. Why, why, why didn’t they use this time to set up the logistics of distributing and administering these vaccines?

Why, why, why are the government allowed to decide who to prioritise to receive these vaccines when they were always going to distribute in a way that benefits them. Surely any government with an ounce of realism would be self aware enough to realise that they would make this vaccine distribution a political decision and instead allow the decision to be made by an independent third party who can distribute it in a way that would allow the country to get back to work. Instead it’s likely that months and months down the line we’ll all be forced to go back to work despite still be unprotected.

I have visions of pensioners being able to swan off on holiday over the summer while the workers of the country will still be unable to.

It’s an absolute fucking farce. Watching that press conference last night just finally made it snap for me - they genuinely don’t know what they’re doing at all

If you want to be even harsher, a lot of elderly people have already proved what they have achieved and contributed to society (think of Captain Tom Moore). For children it's not known, some will be productive, some won't.

I don't think of human beings in this way, I think it's mean, but it's what CountessFrog seemed to be suggesting.

It's wrong to deny treatment (or vaccination) based solely on age

@Flaxmeadow

The hatred towards elderly people on here is mind blowing

I know, I hope I’m jetting off in March 🤞

@Puzzledandpissedoff

50% of the population are below average intelligence

Isn't that the nature of averages - or perhaps that should be "means"; I always get them mixed up

Either way I'd love to hear you say it in the inner city area where I visited a specialist supermarket today. Not just the supermarket but every single shop on the road was open - clothing, furniture, cafes, beauty, hairdressers, you name it

Good luck policing all of that ...

Wow..I’d be up for a bit of that Course you ain’t going to tell us where it is 😂

@Dowser

Course you ain’t going to tell us where it is

East Midlands city, Dowser; I don't want to get much more identifying than that, and anyway there seems little point since I don't imagine we're alone in this

My parents in their 80s are getting theirs soon.

It's wrong to deny treatment (or vaccination) based solely on age

They are denying vaccination based solely on age though! If you are young and vulnerable you will not get it. Only older people are eligible. A friend of mine is about to receive immunosuppressive therapy for cancer. She has been told that once she's on the therapy vaccination wouldn't work very well. It will work better if she gets it now and build builds an immune response before the chemo. However as she is in her 50s there is no chance of getting at any time in the near future. I have heard of an 18-year-old being told the same thing. Only people over 80 years matter apparently.

CEV are group 6, so before the over 65s. They seem to be getting through the earlier groups fairly efficiently. Maybe there will be a reshuffle for the younger CEVs.

@endofthelinefinally

CEV are group 6, so before the over 65s. They seem to be getting through the earlier groups fairly efficiently. Maybe there will be a reshuffle for the younger CEVs.

People with cancer are not even in the CEV group until they are on therapy though and by then it is too late for the vaccine to work. They need the vaccine first but that will only happen if they are old. It's a Catch-22 situation for younger people.

I suspect belladonna thatt given they are cancelling urgent cancer treatment The additional complexity of trying to find out who could benefit significantly at an individual level is just adding delay and complexity

And once her immune system is knocked out having had the vaccine would not actually help

I think the cancer situation needs reviewing. Hopefully the clinicians will make representation to that effect. That must be a very worrying situation.
I am in the CEV group and I must admit I am scared by this new variant.

@endofthelinefinally

CEV are group 6, so before the over 65s. They seem to be getting through the earlier groups fairly efficiently. Maybe there will be a reshuffle for the younger CEVs.

CEV are priority 4, including all blood cancers (whose outcomes are the worst of all those with cancer) plus everyone on active cancer treatment. This is at the same time as those age 70-74

The CV are priority 6

[quote SillyOldMummy]@trulydelicious, if i had to choose between vaccinating

a) a young teacher or nursery nurse, who would use their protection from covid to keep their classroom open,
or b) a young single parent who would then be able to go and earn a living to prevent themselves becoming homeless and destitute,
or c) a pensioner who could EASILY stay safely at home watching TV with their husband living off their pension instead of swanning off on holiday...
I would not pick the pensioner.[/quote]
Your method would leave us in lockdown a whole lot longer.

We aren’t in lockdown because teachers are sick, we’re in lockdown because over 50s needing hospital treatment will overwhelm the nhs. That young teacher is statistically a huge amount (100s of times) less likely to need hospital treatment if she gets ill.

The longer the nhs is in crisis the longer the schools are closed. Thank goodness you’re not in charge of making these decisions.

@Flaxmeadow

The hatred towards elderly people on here is mind blowing

Exactly. Imagine them posting hate speech against one of the other theoretically protected equalities groups. e.g. "Those black people shouldn't get the vaccine, they might swan off on holiday" or "How dare they allow those gay people to get the vaccine when I want it first, and I don't believe their lives are worth saving anyway?"

@midgebabe

I suspect belladonna thatt given they are cancelling urgent cancer treatment The additional complexity of trying to find out who could benefit significantly at an individual level is just adding delay and complexity

And once her immune system is knocked out having had the vaccine would not actually help

They aren't cancelling cancer treatment everywhere. The vaccine will probably work in people who are immunosuppressed but not as well. Expert opinion is that it will be more effective if given before the treatment starts than if given afterwards . It wouldn't be hard for consultants to add people who were about to receive treatment to the ECV list rather than wait till they are ECV.

I have been pointing out issues with vaccination in U.K. on other threads, anticipating lots of issues but got shot down in flames. Apparently all was fine and I’m a negative anti vaxxer. Problem is we’ve got lots of issues with what we’re planning supply is probably least of them but yes utterly incomprehensible we haven’t got supplies ready to go.

Why dont they just euthanise all people over 60..after all what use are they. They dont work...have no future at all..Disgraceful lack of empthathy here.These people fought in the war for you to have the life you have..Unbeleivable.

Oh stop whingeing! The people you berate have worked so bloody hard to get this far, no one wanted this to happen, can’t you just be thankful that these amazing people are out there, working for all of us, doing there best to make people safe and yes - someone has to make a decision about who gets the first jabs. Good luck to them and thank god that you aren’t in charge.

CEV are group 4, and the top 4 groups (of which I am part of) should have all received their first vaccination by mid February. I'm happy with that.

It comes down to politics. Who are their electorate? 67% over 70s voted conservative

I agree. So much hatred for the elderly. It is what it is. Everyone blaming the government is not going to help. The vaccine is here. That is miracle work by the scientists. Pure genius.
Be happy we are healthy snd not in hospital.

It's the older and clinically vulnerable who have caught covid that are in the hospitals and some dying. Protect them and the NHS will be under less strain. The order of vaccinations is set by an independent body, the JCVI.

I am a nurse..I do think that my partner should also have the vaccine. As should all partners of teachers,nurses,doctors,carers etc.

Its sad and appalling.

The vaccine should go first to those most likely to need hospital care and/or a ventilator. How that would work I dont know. Just heard my friend’s 22 year old nephew is on oxygen in hospital with it. He doesn’t have any underlying health condition.