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75% of my school are in

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ReginaPhalangee · 05/01/2021 22:24

That's it in a nutshell. Three quarters of my school are classed as keyworker or vulnerable. Might as well chuck the other 50 in and be done with it.

Lockdown 1... 12 children.

No PPE and we've got to double our workload for the ones needing remote learning whilst we are teaching our classes. And then making phone calls to check on them.

It's the same for every school in my area.

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ofboris · 06/01/2021 08:56

There's only one way out of this, and it's to unpick the hype and start living again

ineedaholidaynow · 06/01/2021 08:57

If you think we will be doing this every winter then schools will definitely get stricter over who can come into school. Masks and rotas will become the norm.

NerrSnerr · 06/01/2021 08:57

We're both keyworkers and used the provision last time. We sent our daughter in 3 days last time to work around our shifts and that's our plan this time. Heard from 3 friends who didn't use keyworker provision last time as they have a parent working from home that even though they're part time and have a parent working from home they are sending their children in full time. I'm really cross and have contacted the school asking whether my daughter can go in full time regardless or are the others taking the piss.

RedToothBrush · 06/01/2021 08:58

More people in contact with others = longer and more lockdowns.

There isn't a short cut to the future.

ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 06/01/2021 08:59

@ofboris

Ok I get it. So we can’t beat this so let’s not loose out now as we are too far mass infected already. So damage limitation strategy by living as normal as possible now and live with long term consequences hoping some vaccines may or may not help. Therefore no need to moderate behaviour anymore as nothing to be gained. So live with Covid and limit mental health damage.

Punxsutawney · 06/01/2021 08:59

ofboris my Ds lost 8kg in the last lockdown. He's now 6ft and weighs 49kg. He has complex mental health difficulties and high functioning autism but Camhs support will stop now as he can't communicate by phone or online. Out local authority just given him an EHCP but school have not invited him in.

We are on our own again until school reopens and his Camhs visits can resume. That could be September. I hope he doesn't lose another 8kg in this lockdown.

Spiratedaway · 06/01/2021 09:00

Probably get slammed for this .. my husband is a critical worker and is working long hours i work full time from home I have had to send my son in ... alternative ? Lose my job , therefore lose my house , therefore signing on etc so my husband wage is not great and the days any of us are off then we won't put our son in .... The school has given us videos to watch and sit with the kids and help them how do I do that while working ?

ofboris · 06/01/2021 09:01

@Punxsutawney

ofboris my Ds lost 8kg in the last lockdown. He's now 6ft and weighs 49kg. He has complex mental health difficulties and high functioning autism but Camhs support will stop now as he can't communicate by phone or online. Out local authority just given him an EHCP but school have not invited him in.

We are on our own again until school reopens and his Camhs visits can resume. That could be September. I hope he doesn't lose another 8kg in this lockdown.

This is terrible for you and him, I'm so sorry your are experiencing this, he ought to have a place
boatyroo · 06/01/2021 09:01

If we were to keep kids off school until the virus is gone they would never have gone back.

I feel angry the government didn't actually do something to stop having to close schools, eg small class rotas, more learning in summer etc etc.

Schools will likely be shut until the priority groups are vaccinated. Deaths and hospital admissions will be lower so things may open up, but we will be a long way from herd immunity so our children and us will be just as at risk of catching it then.
Keeping children off is to protect hospital capacity by lowering community spread (though this has probably happened too late) but I don't think school children will be much or any safer from catching it, or possibly another mutation, then.

ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 06/01/2021 09:02

@ofboris

Basically survival of the fittest and let’s see who dies last because we can’t get rid of the disease anyway so no need to try to stop it from killing others now.

dameofdilemma · 06/01/2021 09:02

One thing I'll say in parents defence - some employers are putting a great deal of pressure on employees to use the key worker provision (WFH and non-frontline roles).

Parents are being told they will have no flex whatsoever and its up to them to take the letter into the school and demand a place.
Even where the school is short of staff due to self isolations.

People are in fear of being disciplined or being made redundant. This is particularly happening in the public sector as there is no option to furlough.

IME parents are trying to support schools but employers are being far less understanding this time around.

bluebluezoo · 06/01/2021 09:03

There's only one way out of this, and it's to unpick the hype and start living again

To do that we will need to make a conscious decision to provide palliative care only to covid-19 patients.

Turn nightingale hospitals into huge wards providing pain relief and end of life care. No Itu, no heroic measures.

Let the susceptible die so the rest can get on with living.

Are you prepared to do that?

Spiratedaway · 06/01/2021 09:05

@dameofdilemma

One thing I'll say in parents defence - some employers are putting a great deal of pressure on employees to use the key worker provision (WFH and non-frontline roles).

Parents are being told they will have no flex whatsoever and its up to them to take the letter into the school and demand a place.
Even where the school is short of staff due to self isolations.

People are in fear of being disciplined or being made redundant. This is particularly happening in the public sector as there is no option to furlough.

IME parents are trying to support schools but employers are being far less understanding this time around.

Totally this and people will lose jobs and I apologise and feel for the teachers but if I lose my job we are utterly screwed I think I am a key worker anyway as work in finance
boatyroo · 06/01/2021 09:05

I am sticking to restrictions completely btw, haven't seen family or friends, no eat out to help out, testing and isolating my kids if they have any slight cough. I'm just not under the illusion that it's my children I'm protecting by doing this. They will likely catch it at some point when schools reopen, probably asymptomatically, and I'm just hoping they won't be able to pass on to anyone more vulnerable as those people will have been vaccinated.

Manteo · 06/01/2021 09:10

I'm working from home and DD is going to school. The school said every keyworker who applied for a place got one so I haven't prevented a nurse on a covid ward from working and there are only 6 children in her class so the teachers are not overrun.

RedToothBrush · 06/01/2021 09:10

@bluebluezoo

There's only one way out of this, and it's to unpick the hype and start living again

To do that we will need to make a conscious decision to provide palliative care only to covid-19 patients.

Turn nightingale hospitals into huge wards providing pain relief and end of life care. No Itu, no heroic measures.

Let the susceptible die so the rest can get on with living.

Are you prepared to do that?

I have seen far too many posts that suggest that people absoluetely would. Even if they don't say it outright.
ofboris · 06/01/2021 09:11

@dameofdilemma

One thing I'll say in parents defence - some employers are putting a great deal of pressure on employees to use the key worker provision (WFH and non-frontline roles).

Parents are being told they will have no flex whatsoever and its up to them to take the letter into the school and demand a place.
Even where the school is short of staff due to self isolations.

People are in fear of being disciplined or being made redundant. This is particularly happening in the public sector as there is no option to furlough.

IME parents are trying to support schools but employers are being far less understanding this time around.

And this, not up for making myself homeless and jobless

Anyway, off to go do said day job so toodlepip mumsnetters, especially those who will be on here all day whilst also working, home schooling, being Nigella in the kitchen, acting like martyrs and just being a general all round angel Grin

HelloMissus · 06/01/2021 09:11

Just dropped off my foster kids and was told classes are about half full.

DisappointedOfNorfolk · 06/01/2021 09:13

It's almost as if the guidance is written to deliberately sabotage the efforts of making schools safer...

"Children with at least one parent or carer who is a critical worker can go to school or college if required."

Under the guidelines we are entitled to a space for both dc, one has an EHCP and both as dh is a critical worker.

However, I am a SAHP and carer as both dc have SEND, so we decided we would do our best to keep dc at home again and home school (just like we did when we pulled them out of school in early March prior to the first school shut down).

Luckily over the summer we changed both dc to a different high school, who so far have been fabulous, very supportive and providing online education to their usual timetabled school day. Mostly set work on Teams this week but we have already had 'live' PE lessons and both dc have 'live' tutor time every morning. I'm really impressed 😊.

It will be hard, my ds has ASD, dyslexia and ADHD and dd has ADHD, so will need additional input from me, but we want to do our best and minimise risk to our own family (I'm diabetic) and to the wider school and community. I could really do with a break and would prefer my dc to have full time face-to-face education at school, but that is not what is best at the moment in
the current pandemic situation.

There seems to be many people taking advantage and sending their dc in if one parent is a critical worker and the other at home, but I can understand why you would need to if both parents are still working.

Many employers seem to be insisting people come into work or continue to work from home if they can justify in any way calling them critical workers, so, many parents don't have a choice.

I don't know what the answer is, as everyone's idea of how best to protect their family and community differs!

It's not going to protect your child or family if you lose your job/home/mental
health, but if everyone just blindly follows the government 'guidance' to the letter then they are 'entitled' to a place at school for their child/children, this situation will last for longer and schools will still be a massive vector Sad.

I hope the government aren't deliberately sabotaging this so it 'proves' schools being open/closed makes no difference to rates of infection. After all, if 75% of dc are in some schools it won't make that much difference to the numbers. School classrooms have been overcrowded for years, and even at 75% capacity can't socially distance sufficiently.

I think the government need to clarify in the guidance that a school place can only be made available currently when there is no parent available to care for/supervise their child at home and force employers to allow people to work at home if at all possible. That would be really hard for the parents wfh, but would hopefully shorten the time needed for schools to be closed.

HelloMissus · 06/01/2021 09:19

Disappointed I doubt its deliberate - Boris et al ain’t that clever.
But it is a classic example if them having no understanding whatsoever of how the country they pretend to govern works.

Businesses won’t/can’t just let people WFH. They won’t/can’t let their employees just work around their kids.
Many did that for months and months last year, but it’s not happening any longer.

ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 06/01/2021 09:20

Bottom line schools aren’t closed as it’s blended school closure - the worst of both worlds!

However less people in school equals slightly lower Covid incubation and spread.

Lockdowns with more perpetual quasi school closures to follow as no exams anyway! Perhaps we can have a new two tier schooling system - school vs the home school! Half the children with extra Covid baggage but schooled at school and half Covid free but semi home schooled! Great Covid risk mitigation strategy - not!

The new divide - schooled or un/home schooled!

itsgettingweird · 06/01/2021 09:21

@boatyroo

I don't believe this will just be for 6 weeks either.
It's catch 22. The more people attending schools and household mixing the longer schools will be remote learning for all but the KW and vulnerable children.
itsgettingweird · 06/01/2021 09:22

[quote THisbackwithavengeance]@Lynette, it's not "childcare". Arguably it's also not "free" given that we pay taxes and council taxes to fund schools and teachers' salaries.

My eldest DS is at school. He's 16 and my youngest is 11. They are at school because I don't have time to make sure they arr on Zoom at the right time and at school they are not tempted away from lessons by Netflix and social media. I can't supervise lessons at home as DH and I are in law enforcement. On the odd occasion that I work from home, I am on skype discussing cases or interviewing and I absolutely can't have children milling around and interrupting me - not for my sake but for the sake of my "service users". [/quote]
Don't you think at that age they should be taught to have a better work ethic and keep out of a room if told?

itsgettingweird · 06/01/2021 09:26

I disagree about an accountant nit being critical. Jan until April is the busiest time for filing assessments etc. And after the past year and all the financial implications this won't be straight forward.

We need accountants to make sure where tax is due it's actually being paid and in the right quantity.

The only thing with being an accountant is it's more flexible with regards hours. It's easier to work some evenings on spreadsheets and often clients are willing to be more flexible with meeting times - especially if they are trying to homeschool themselves!

2KeyorNot2Key · 06/01/2021 09:27

@Kitcat122

My school has high numbers in. Support staff in. Teachers at home doing lessons.
This makes noooo sense!
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